At least bring common sense to the table
Moderate WHAT?
Published on February 21, 2011 By BoobzTwo In Politics

None of the bigotry of either side (can there really only be TWO?) can change the realities of life or the events that transpire therein. Take my word for it; do not try to confuse anyone here with the word TRUTH because you will then discover one of the most inappropriately used word seemingly in the ‘worlds’ languages. No, let’s see if we can try and stay with realityhere.

Why is it ALWAYS 2 enemies, right or wrong, good or bad, correct or not, light or dark or even true or not? It seems as though we are not even allowed any slack with such mundane things as possible or not, believable or not, practical or not, feasible or not or even provable or not, go figure. Doesn’t make much sense to me but seems accurate nonetheless.

I believe that I have much middle ground (many DON’T) in my views of the world, Nature and the universe. There is of course a condition (but just the ONE): I can prove my beliefs (or I would not have them) or I can postulate what I can’t prove based on “the scientific method” of problem solving … If you cannot or refuse to, then we will have little to say to each other. Guess my feathers are still a bit ruffled, sorry.

One hears all the time of Moderate Middle America, of people who see the fallacy of going too far one way or the other … but where are they? My best WAG is that most of them are in the same hide-holes as all those evasive moderate Muslims, blacks, Hispanics, whites, homosexuals, infanticide nuts, atheists (that work for YOU), thumpers (that works for me), the judiciary or our governmental benefactors (our employees). Must be some hellacious underground complex, wish I were there, hehehe, NOT. Could go further with moderate unions, liberals of ANY stripe, republicans, educators or … well I made my point (I hope).

It all boils down to this … YOU are right … and everybody else is wrong. I do not understand how this environment could lend itself to solve anything we face at all, do you? We are not allowed a middle any more IMO.


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on Feb 25, 2011

Boots, just go away please. I do not have the time or the inclination to explain yet again beyond this comment. I write articles as I SEE them (kind of like MY OPINIONS), and if there is anything in your quote (or the whole article or any other one I wrote TELLING you or anybody else what the truth was … please point out JUST ONE instead of flapping this nonsense.  

I thought you were younger than 78 for sure … but your website description TELLS me that we are NOT going to have meaningful discussions … and I quote “Do not bullshit me. I have SEEN more than you ever will. REALLY, so what, I would like to think that when I become ancient (20 more years) I will have seen more too … for whatever that is worth

Why is it ALWAYS 2 enemies, right or wrong, good or bad, correct or not, light or dark or even true or not? It seems as though we are not even allowed any slack with such mundane things as possible or not, believable or not, practical or not, feasible or not or even provable or not, go figure. Doesn’t make much sense to me but seems accurate nonetheless.

Ok then, you must be crazy because (your quote) doesn’t contain anything at  all that can possibly be misinterpreted as even an attempt to state one fact or one truth, go figure.

You make the same mistake of your opponents. You try to assign a "truth" to an opinion instead of facts. Facts have truths. Opinions do not.

You try to assign a "truth" … you have got to be crazy! Take that chip on your shoulder somewhere else PLEASE … or grow up and act your age and present your arguments instead of your accusations.

And since you are as new here as can be, I will give you a little bit of advice. If you attempt to discussTHE TRUTH’ on JU, well … you are in for one hell of a bad trip … this of course, is up to you.

And lastly, I do not want to argue with you (or anyone else) … so take “your truths” (whatever the hell they are) and your anger  with you someplace else where you may argue and fight to your heart’s content. Come back whenever you really want to discuss something and leave your meaningless accusations at home too … PLEASE!

on Feb 25, 2011

BoobzTwo

if there is anything in your quote (or the whole article or any other one I wrote TELLING you or anybody else what the truth was … please point out JUST ONE instead of flapping this nonsense.

Here's one time and I had only to go to comment #3....

Trying real hard to stay away from ‘the truth’ here, already know where that leads … but it most assuredly IS constant.

And who is going to argue with that? It's true...truth IS constant.

BootsW posts:

You try to assign a "truth" to an opinion instead of facts.

BoobzTwo

You try to assign a "truth" … you have got to be crazy! T

BTWO, I'd say the following is a good example of you trying to assign a  "truth".

 

 

It all boils down to this … “YOU are right … and everybody else is wrong”.

 

BoobzTwo posts:

Ok then, you must be crazy because (your quote) doesn’t contain anything at all that can possibly be misinterpreted as even an attempt to state one fact or one truth, go figure.

Really?

BootsW said:

There is only one truth in any situation.
I think this is true as true can be.

 

 

 

 

on Feb 25, 2011

Charles ...

My problem is that we (you and I) cannot establish some mutual starting point to even begin meaningful debate.

My starting point (as it has been from the beginning) is that I do not believe in god (AS YOU KNOW) and your starting point is that you do (AS I KNOW) … period. No problems there at all … for me!!! Why can’t you start there too?

YOU admit (and I agree) that things got way out of hand and many things were said that shouldn’t have been. But you guys have NEVER taken the least bit of responsibility (nay, not one bit) for any of it at all. When name calling is involved, it was only ME. When hardheadedness and anger is brought up, it was always ME. When failure to agree (whatever that means) comes up, it is always ME (that is immovable). If and when I try to interject anything (especially my opinions), I am a whiner and a crybaby and an antagonist … and when I don’t attempt to offer a rebuttal, you tell me that I do not believe in anything that I hatefully write. The reality is that it didn’t matter at all because you have told me on many occasions that all my opinions are nonsense.

You always accuse me of all the gobbledygook, names and such, inflexibility, anger, stupidity and ignorance … but at NO TIME anywhere (that I could find) was there even ONE mention of YOUR culpability with any of this trash. Do I need to go back and point out those instances … DO I REALLY?

I am not at all overly concerned with the opinions of others  (they are debatable) but in our (more than just you and I) case, you fellas always attack the morality of everything word I write and you justify all your arguments with your theology and wise religious sayings … those things that I cannot use nor argue against (or for), simply because their relevance to me is, well not the same as for you. I cannot seem to even entice YOUR opinions out of you with which to debate because you only spew God’s word and Theology. (REMEMBER, where I DO NOT WANT TO BE and WHAT I AM NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT) … the infamous BRICK WALL.

This is perfectly acceptable to me, sure enough … but you DO NOT apply it to yourselves (IMO). Whenever I try to defend my article (with my non-belief), you drag me into the dissection arena for proper religious disposal. There is no doubt that you can (and have) pounced on my opinions based only on your theology (you are still doing it). This will be the sad continuation if we cannot find an acceptable solution. I personally will not continue this brouhaha so please TRY and UNDERSTAND!

My frustration stems from the fact that I am NEVER EVER talking about your theology or your beliefs or your right to have and express them. In all my whining, I told you this on many occasions. But because you always (used to I hope) drag me to a place I do not belong (agreed??), I end up bumping heads and rambling because you FORCE me to try and refute your beliefs (not your opinions) based on my non-beliefs (?) and that is NOT POSSIBLE, nor is it anything I want to do. In effect, you are asking me to explain to you why your God is wrong … and that cannot be done either. And there goes the bouncing ball and we end up bickering about YOUR theology, absolutes and the REAL truth (but only as you see it).

I DO NOT DO THEOLOGY and that IS THE TRUTH, so take it to the bank. If all you guys can do is TALK ABOUT THEOLOGY, PLEASE FIND SOMEONE ELSE YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BE me.

I only argued (attempt at futility) with you in the first place was I DO believe in my values … BUT then you DRAG me to the alter and INSIST that I do … so I pitifully tried to, and was told in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that my opinions are meaningless, my intentions are to destroy your precious religion and my desire is to create hate and discontent. In fact I do not believe there were any instances where I was NOT assumed to be anything but evil incarnate itself. Why is it seemingly impossible for you to see that I HAVE NO PERMISSION TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL UNDER THESE CONDITIONS?

Charles, I am not going to be drawn into this stuff anymore because it is all one-sided. ALL I wanted to do was (I did try and explain) this ONE THING “I do not believe in God”

Maybe this might help (probably not?). What are attributes one (say me) would attach to zealots of any stripe.  They must never take responsibility for anything but had better be able to justify it. THEY must be devout and unbendable in THEIR beliefs and faith. They have to attack everything that could possibly oppose their point of view (their truth).  

There is just no way for me to proceed under these conditions. It is 100% argumentative and unwinnable (why should it be though?) from any viewpoint besides your own … and that is just unacceptable for me. How can you possible NOT KNOW (or remember) the names you called me and the slanders too (as a minimum) … but you present ALL your arguments from the perspective that you are right (by Devine decree) and therefore it is somehow MY RESPONSIBILITY to prove my every word (I CAN YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I USE A DICTIONARY). You cannot because you ONLY use a bible and your religious lexicons that provide theological rebuttals to key words and sentence fragments (YOUR FLAGS). I have never heard the bible was considered a dictionary … correct me if I am wrong please?  

on Feb 25, 2011

Lulu, you ARE an IDIOT after all. PLEASE GO AWAY. I cannot believe I wasted my time with my previous comment. As you have continuously demonstrated, it will have NO MEANING AT ALL to Charles … as it will not to you either for the simple fact that I am an ATHEIST and THAT is all you TRUTH you need to attack. If you had even made a minimal attempt to understand the exchange I had with Boots (or any of the others for that matter), You would should know that he was talking about a SPECFIC QUOTE, so I will refresh YOUR MEMORY once again ...

I am going to have to start a series on nonsense and anger management; this is qualified for the first issue, hehehe

The comment presented by Boots … (yep you are a gooder reader all right)

Why is it ALWAYS 2 enemies, right or wrong, good or bad, correct or not, light or dark or even true or not? It seems as though we are not even allowed any slack with such mundane things as possible or not, believable or not, practical or not, feasible or not or even provable or not, go figure. Doesn’t make much sense to me but seems accurate nonetheless.[/quote

This is his response … are you still with me … doubtful, but I will continue for someone else.

You make the same mistake of your opponents. You try to assign a "truth" to an opinion instead of facts. Facts have truths. Opinions do not. There is only one truth in any situation. There are many opinions, but they are not by necessity true. If you want to argue truth, state facts. If you want to argue opinion, do not call it truth.

I noted the flamboyant and free use of the sacred word "TRUTH" was used by the mysterious Mr. Boots (six damn times, my un-god?). Where was the spiritual outrage, the indignation from this profane blasphemy (we did establish that at your insistence didn’t we?) … I wonder in deed Mr. Watson?  And with no oath or commitment or prostration or nothing … HE somehow found your TRUTH (which he was having mucho problems trying to coherent himself) … I begin to see a pattern here … humm …   

… And my statement that YOU quoted

if there is anything in your quote or the whole article or any other one I wrote TELLING you or anybody else what the truth was … please point out JUST ONE instead of flapping this nonsense
 (his quote of my quote, hehehe)  

Of course I was talking to Boots (not you) so he probably (seems not, bummer) understood my statement and what I was referring to … which you obviously know too because of you are the master troubadour.

And the Speak master says …

Here's one time and I had only to go to comment #3....

And this is how you try and justify your ANGER!

Trying real hard to stay away from ‘the truth’ here, already know where that leads … but it most assuredly IS constant.
Here's one time and I had only to go to comment #3....

I am GUILTY of using one of YOUR most sacred words (“(TRUTH)”) … but could you point out herein, where I made the least attempt, to foul your SACRED WORD in vain by daring giving it some meaning … The thing actually says IN RATHER PLAIN ENGLISH to STAY AWAY FROM THE TRUTH HERE ON JU (TO Boots again, NOT YOU) … but you must know that too, RIGHT? Sure you do, you just do not care to even be a tiny itsy-bitsy bit HONEST!

Oh my … the ANGER continues … how nice.

BTWO, I'd say the following is a good example of you trying to assign a "truth".

Do you actually have a functional brain, one has to wonder ...

It all boils down to this … “YOU are right … and everybody else is wrong”.

If you do have a brain, it is no longer YOURS because you gave that away too.

This is why you cannot communicate ... you cannot even mis-READ without a religious filter, how sad is that. Even if there were some way to misconstrue this part of the statement (?), nay if you had actually read or looked at the OTHER WORDS of the quote … and just for my understanding, could YOU PLEASE let me know why it seemed unimportant to at LEAST quote the whole quote. I will list it below so you do not have to trouble yourself trying to find it 

[quoteIt all boils down to this … “YOU are right … and everybody else is wrong”. I do not understand how this environment could lend itself to solve anything we face at all, do you? We are not allowed a middle any more IMO.

So I repeat my question … what is stated herein BY ME demanding you (or anyone else) take anything I said as The Truth. Why would I: haven’t you told me enough times yet how untruthful I am and cannot be believed because I an EVIL. I DO NOT have any problems establishing THESE FACTS (TRUTH) RIGHT NOW! I CONFESS, I am an idiot and you good folks know everything of merit that COULD BE POSSIBLY. I am the most ANGRY vile PERSON (CAN I STILL BE A PERSON, PLEASE) on the face of the Earth (let’s see, about 7 billion and counting … I AM IMPORTANT!!!) and I am caught bummer; I am the ringleader of “The destruction of the Church movement” around the world based in America of course and till my dying breath I vow to crumble all you hold sacred. So if you add these facts (TRUTH) too,  that I am a whiney crybaby, an ignorant slavering buffoon lacking any morals at all ... that cover it for you, works for me). I will swear to ALL THESE STIPULATIONS and any other ones I missed, if it would MAKE YOU HAPPY … but of course it won’t, will it.

Now before I tell you what I really think, I would ask just ONE SIMPLE QUESTION (and I do not see any reason for you to search out any of my blasphemy for this one): Why do you keep searching for me (considering the previous paragraph) and all? I do NOT go and seek YOU out … so that I can insult YOU or demean YOU or call YOU names or tell YOU what YOU really said or what YOU really mean and I have NEVER told YOU what is TRUE (wouldn’t get that impression from your last post though). Everyone (in particular your peers) would assume there was some merit to your statement (Christian good guy and all) and I have just proven you a LIAR and INSTIGATOR out to do whatever possible to justify YOUR own insanity. TRUTH my arse! So now that I AM DONE WITH YOU: take your bible and your attitude and your untruths and your god … and stick them all where the sun doesn’t shine where they all belong. Then come back, maybe we could at long last communicate (right!).

on Feb 25, 2011

BOOBZTWO, as to your #19, hang in with me please.

A couple of points and a question.

Point 1.

If you had even made a minimal attempt to understand the exchange I had with Boots (or any of the others for that matter), You would should know that he was talking about a SPECFIC QUOTE,

I read BootsW #15 and your #16.  I understand the exchange.

  My response was strictly regarding your challenge made in the first paragraph of #16. Here is your challenge in blue.

Boots, just go away please. I do not have the time or the inclination to explain yet again beyond this comment. I write articles as I SEE them (kind of like MY OPINIONS), and if there is anything in your quote (or the whole article or any other one I wrote TELLING you or anybody else what the truth was … please point out JUST ONE instead of flapping this nonsense.

I simply answered your challenge to point out just one time that you wrote either in this whole article or any other one that you wrote telling us what the truth is. Turns out I didn't have to look far. I found it in your first comment. 

Trying real hard to stay away from ‘the truth’ here, already know where that leads … but it  most assuredly IS constant.

BoobzTwo, C'mon read your own words. You do indeed tell us what the truth is....You say, truth most assuredly IS constant. 

I am GUILTY of using one of YOUR most sacred words (“(TRUTH)”) … but could you point out herein, where I made the least attempt, to foul your SACRED WORD in vain by daring giving it some meaning

My dear, no foul here. Why do you even go there...when in fact I praised you for saying it? I said:

And who is going to argue with that? It's true...truth IS constant.

Point 2.

Of course I was talking to Boots (not you)

I know but just to have some fun I answered your challenge. It seemed to me that  BootsW wouldn't mind. This is an open discussion is it not or is there a BoobzTwo rule against responding to others comments and questions?

 

haven’t you told me enough times yet how untruthful I am and cannot be believed because I an EVIL.

Question:

Where in any of my comments have I said these things particularly that you are evil? You must be confusing me with someone else because I have not ever said that.

 

Peace, BoobzTwo,

+ Lula +

on Feb 26, 2011

Lulu I am not going to play with your nonsense anymore because you are nothing more than a pompous self-righteous ass.

Peace, Lulu,

-BoobzTwo-

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