At least bring common sense to the table
Opinion of a non believer
Published on November 5, 2011 By BoobzTwo In Religion

Actual History is chockfull of the rise and fall of religions for millennia … many Ages. And they all have the following in common. Whenever they became week enough to lose control of the majority of the sheeple, they are replaced with a new Messiah and a new message just as the Christians have done with the ‘old Jewish’ religion when that too lost its strangle hold on the world of Man due to its barbarism as perceived by man in a new Age. Anyone who lives in a future time views almost everything from previous times to be barbaric (except for those that thrive in barbarism) and in this Christianity is no exception. It is my belief that the purpose of religion has always been nothing but a methodology to control the masses. The Bible (OT and NT) are replete with plagiarisms from the actual real world of the past. The NT is in itself a plagiarism from much of the OT. The stories of the Bible are impossible in the real world in which we all exist. I agree that many names and places were real, but this is just another plagiarism from the actual history of man. If you can place your hand on a Bible and swear that the Earth is what ~12,000 years old, then you are a fool. If you deny the evidence of science and technology, then you are doubly a fool. If you deny the evidence of early man or prehistoric man and can find no logic or truth in evolution you are a damned fool. And if you are so foolish as to allow the leadership of some rascals who lived thousands of years ago during the ‘glorious’ days when all this stuff was concocted … to control virtually every aspect of your life today, you are doomed. But all you have to do is ‘have faith’ and ignore your own perceptions of reality … and all will be yours, just bring your pocket book and come often … because we have castles and churches and armies to build to prove they are right, yea right. The all-powerful all-knowing one God would never vanquish the devil (certainly within reason for the all-powerful mindful of His sheep) because He would be destroying Himself … as there can be no light without the dark? What better ploy could man devise than to make the light and the dark impervious to the perceptions of man, the sheeple? The complete history of the universe and that insignificant little planet Earth with its complete compliment of well ‘everything’ … all described between the covers of a book written thousands of years ago by smart (-ass) people with nothing benign in mind whatsoever who championed a flat Earth for a thousand years for naught than to promote the new religion of the Age of Pisces … the two fish. It took man and a simple invention called a telescope to start the downward spiral of Religion (Christianity this time) and it cannot be stopped.


Comments (Page 1)
on Nov 08, 2011

What does the word 'religion' mean to you?

Opinion of a believer in God and in the Catholic religion.

"Religion" comes from a Latin word meaning "to bind" (to God or gods). The conception of a deity is necessary for religion.

The Christian define Religion as the virtue which prompts man to render to God the worship and reverence that is His by right.

Objectively, religion is the voluntary acknowledgement of man's dependence on God through acts of homage.   

The practice of some form of religion is universal.

Morality needs religion.

 

on Nov 08, 2011

Lula, I can agree with the first part ... but the Catholic religion … where did that come from? I have always understood that Catholicism was the RCC’s style of practicing Religion … but I never considered it a religion in itself, go figure. If ... "The conception of a deity is necessary for religion.”... Why do you call atheism a religion since by definition they do not conceptualize any god at all? What in the world is "universal" about religion??? I do not have religion and there is nothing wrong with my morality our only difference is that I do not need the Church to explain it to me.

 I just watched a movie about Martin Luther and I am afraid he had it right … as far as religion and its purpose goes. He had his own opinions of the RCC and especially Pope Leo X … and they weren’t good. (Note: he was there and we were not).

on Nov 09, 2011

BoobzTwo
but the Catholic religion … where did that come from? I have always understood that Catholicism was the RCC’s style of practicing Religion … but I never considered it a religion in itself, go figure.

The Catholic religion came from Christ given to His Apostles (Christ's first bishops, Peter being the head) and disciples from 30-33AD. Through oral (Tradition) and written word (Scripture). they, in turn, passed down the Christian Faith through the ages.

Through Christ, the Catholic religion is the perfect fulfillment (full development) of OT Hebraic Judaism.   

Catholicism, the Catholic religion, the Christian Faith, Christianity, the religion of Christ, Christ's New Covenant religion all are one and the same.  Different names for the same thing. 

 

on Nov 09, 2011

BoobzTwo
"The conception of a deity is necessary for religion.”... Why do you call atheism a religion since by definition they do not conceptualize any god at all?

Atheists do make for themselves their own god. That god they worship might be man, self, science, etc. .

Some people's god is the earth, the environment.  

Some people's god is satan, They worship satan; the religion is called Satanism. 

lulapilgrim
The practice of some form of religion is universal.

 

BoobzTwo
What in the world is "universal" about religion???

Every one, whether they know it or not, practices some form of religion ... religion is universal in this sense. 

As opposed to Christianity, the one true religion of GOd, all these are false religions as they have false gods. 

 

 

on Nov 09, 2011

Lula, I assume from the start now that there is nothing I can say that will even chip the armor of your precious RCC, but I still have my views so as meaningless as they are to you ... what for??? I count 22 religions that are considered 'major ones' but the offshoots number in the hundreds. I imagine that all 22 have something that tells them and their followers they have the right of it, but who cares ... oh ... the RCC does to the point of gross neglect. I don't have a problem with religion itself as that is straight forward ... you just believe whatever someone tells you MUST be true or you can decide for yourself as I have. But the RCC is a self-isolated entity … and everyone else … be damned.

Forgetting any specific theology, can you not understand what people think when they try to have a conversation with a know-it-all? I have never known a topic or subject matter that you do not claim full and error free knowledge of or that you fail to drag into your Catholicism for complete justification. And all this knowledge that you possess, you don’t even crack a technical book or read the first instrument or have the least bit of confidence in the human species … until they are converted of course. I wonder how one becomes so knowledgeable just from this conversion process of yours … that would be a miracle indeed.

on Nov 09, 2011

lulapilgrim
Every one, whether they know it or not, practices some form of religion ... religion is universal in this sense.
Lula, you know we differ on man's beginnings. But we cannot even have this conversation if you do not acknowledge that man existed before biblical times ... there is proof. I contend that mankind was free until governments and religions were created to control the populations. And it would seem that the RCC and its CCC were invented to control all the religions of the world whether they like it or not, go figure.

Religion cannot be universal just because you say so ... especially considering it was invented here on Earth by people with agendas and infinite knowledge of everything of course. Just a pebble in the bigger scheme of things I am afraid. Gravity is universal as well as the speed of light, but religion … I think not.

on Nov 09, 2011

BT, 

BoobzTwo
but the Catholic religion … where did that come from?

It came from Christ. 

St.Matt. 16:18-20, Jesus said, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build My Church and the powers of Hell will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, and whatever you bind of earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth, will be loosed in Heaven."

The Church that Christ built on St.Peter is the CC and Pope Benedict is his 265th successor.

Does it shock you that Catholicism is Christianity?  

BoobzTwo
Forgetting any specific theology, can you not understand what people think when they try to have a conversation with a know-it-all?

BoobzTwo
but I still have my views so as meaningless as they are to you ... what for???

Your views aren't meaningless to me. You wrote; I read and responded. We're discussing. 

 

BoobzTwo
I count 22 religions that are considered 'major ones' but the offshoots number in the hundreds. I imagine that all 22 have something that tells them and their followers they have the right of it,

Ya, I can agree with this.  

So then comes the claim of these followers of various religions that the tenets of their faith is right. Well are they? 

I must say no way. Of all the various religions out there, be it 22 or 122, only one is the true religion of God. The Catholic Church confidently and serenely claims to be that one religion. She is the only one that was given Christ's authority to teach on Faith and morals today as she did in Apostolic times.

There is just One Man in history that has spoken with the voice of both Man and God...Jesus the Christ....and there is only one Society that claims to speak in matters of faith and morals with the same authority as that Man. This claim is so imperious that all other religions when compared to her are on one side and the CC is on the other.

This should explain the special position that I as Catholic must occupy in any discussion on religious views.

This should also explain why the CC and Catholicism, true Christianity, is subjected continually to attack from some quarter or another. Why it is only the CC that is the object of widespread and inveterate hostility and of a misunderstanding that runs deep through generation after generation. No one is much concerned about the teachings or discipline of the other various religions.

Anyway, all things including time itself changed with Christ's Birth, Life, Passion, Death and Resurrection. During His life, Christ established the CC, man's spiritual pilgrimage in all succeeding time will follow her in until this planet has run its course and on "the last day", all will be before the Throne of Almighty God.

on Nov 09, 2011

lulapilgrim
Why it is only the CC that is the object of widespread and inveterate hostility and of a misunderstanding that runs deep through generation after generation. No one is much concerned about the teachings or discipline of the other various religions.
I hope you weren’t asking me this stuff, hahaha. I don't know why this should be a surprise to anyone as I have explained several times. Here, let me use your own words:
lulapilgrim
This claim is so imperious that all other religions when compared to her are on one side and the CC is on the other.
Even though you have usurped the word of God and all his inner thoughts, you have no control over the meanings of words. Imperious also means domineering, arrogant, superior, haughty and highhanded and this is the light the world sees the RCC as they proceed to dictate their will to humanity without the option to refuse, retreat or rebut … just because you say so. I might also add hypocritical in to the mix just for good measure.

Religion: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life. Notice the first word here!!!  Religion is here for one reason only … to allow people to subjugate themselves to God as they can understand it, and there is no reference I can find (understandable) that obligates the RCC to form a dictatorship of God’s words, thoughts and intentions especially concerning other peoples.

on Nov 10, 2011

 

BoobzTwo
that obligates the RCC to form a dictatorship of God’s words, thoughts and intentions especially concerning other peoples.

We are talking about Catholicism here, not Islam or Communism. The CC isn't a dictatorship. People are free to come into the CC and Catholic Faith and free to leave. 

BoobzTwo
the RCC as they proceed to dictate their will to humanity without the option to refuse, retreat or rebut …

Christ gave His authority to the CC and she has made certain claims....People do have the option to leave, ignore, etc. the CC and her Christological teachings. It is to their detriment when they do so. 

 

 

on Nov 10, 2011

 

lulapilgrim
There is just One Man in history that has spoken with the voice of both Man and God...Jesus the Christ....and there is only one Society that claims to speak in matters of faith and morals with the same authority as that Man. This claim is so imperious that all other religions when compared to her are on one side and the CC is on the other.

lulapilgrim
This should also explain why the CC and Catholicism, true Christianity, is subjected continually to attack from some quarter or another. Why it is only the CC that is the object of widespread and inveterate hostility and of a misunderstanding that runs deep through generation after generation. No one is much concerned about the teachings or discipline of the other various religions.

 

BT, 

I know what imperious means. 

Christ gave but one Church the CC His own Authority and mandate to preach and teach His Christian Faith and morals. And for over 2,000 years the CC as Christ's Living Voice has done just that and will continue to do that until the end of the world (or age if you like that better as in this case it's the same thing.)

FOR THIS VERY REASON, The CC and Catholicism is set apart, so very distinguished from every other church and religion in the world. 

"The world"  hates the CC and Catholicism for the very reason they hated Christ before they hated His Church.

 

 

on Nov 10, 2011

lulapilgrim
Your views aren't meaningless to me. You wrote; I read and responded. We're discussing.
Lula, we are not discussing anything here ... it is just you telling me the right of things just as any good Catholic theologian would … but to the exclusion of everything else. The frustrating thing here is that you will not accept any physical evidence or theory (based on evidence) as anything but the devils work. This complete disregard for men and their knowledge doesn’t seem to touch such things as our medical ‘wonders’, our surgical skills, our ability to ‘raise the dead’, our own man made longevity, our engineering and mathematical prowess … etc. I assume you live in a Home and drive an automobile of some sort all created from the warped dysfunctional mind of men. Would you understand a tech manual on the workings of an internal combustion engine? If not, how does your not-understanding change anything at all? You do not question the fact that the engine works as guaranteed and you do not have to figure it out to the most meniscal particle … your belief and support are just not required here (as in so many other areas) . What matter where the particles came from as this also has no bearing. But you at all times drag everything presented to (always perceived as against) you to your alter that is the RCC for theological dissection and outright rejection … forgone conclusions I might add. I know I am going to hate myself for asking this … where exactly in the Bible is it written that only the RCC and its followers may speak for God in all matters period … just as if God spoke it Himself? You really cannot see what’s wrong with this picture?

lulapilgrim
"The world" hates the CC and Catholicism for the very reason they hated Christ before they hated His Church.
Maybe you missed my reply #8 ... this hatred is almost completely self-inflicted so quit whining about it. How could the world of man hate ‘Christ’ before he was invented by the RCC will forever be a mystery, hahaha?

on Nov 10, 2011

lulapilgrim
Morality needs religion.

 

BoobzTwo
Why do you call atheism a religion since by definition they do not conceptualize any god at all? .......I do not have religion and there is nothing wrong with my morality our only difference is that I do not need the Church to explain it to me.

If Almighty God and His religion is not the basis of morality, what is?

 

on Nov 10, 2011

How about some common sense and the laws we govern ourselves by for a couple of ways. Come on now, we are animals and none of the other species practice ‘type’ suicide. How long would we last as a species if we all went about killing our neighbors without cause, raping or fornicating with their children and wives, stealing their possessions, practicing infanticide and ritual sacrifice etc. [The RCC is guilty of all of this and many other atrocities as they spread (by the sword) the word of your RCC God.] If you need some kind of mysticism or a Book to so inform you religious folk, you guys are too simple to understand right from wrong.  You guys are dangerously undernourished from a lack of horse sense, fair terms, courtesy, humbleness, compassion, forgiveness, intelligence and most of all understanding of anything un-Catholic or requiring basic math or science. And somehow you feel you can justify this lacking through your self-imposed ignorance, with the pomposity of God himself and a complete disregard for all other humans (not under your influence) or their desires and wants … well it sure doesn’t work for me is all. Not very neighborly in anyone’s book!

on Nov 10, 2011

 

BoobzTwo
What in the world is "universal" about religion???

BoobzTwo
Religion cannot be universal just because you say so ... especially considering it was invented here on Earth by people with agendas and infinite knowledge of everything of course. Just a pebble in the bigger scheme of things I am afraid. Gravity is universal as well as the speed of light, but religion … I think not.

What I meant by "universal" is from the beginning of time in every culture some form of religion is practiced. Study the history of the world and those tribes or primitive peoples even to the present day and you'll find they all practice some form of religion. 

Religion is necessary to human nature and entirely natural....religion is universal in the sense that it always existed in some form or another.

You touched on the universality of religion when you wrote:

BoobzTwo
Religion: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life.

 

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BoobzTwo
 I just watched a movie about Martin Luther and I am afraid he had it right … as far as religion and its purpose goes. He had his own opinions of the RCC and especially Pope Leo X … and they weren’t good. (Note: he was there and we were not).

I just saw this. 

So you watched a movie and came to the conclusion that Martin Luther had it right on religion and its purpose. 

I've read his biography and own several books on Protestantism of which Luther is one of its founders. Why do you think he had it right as far as religion and its purpose goes?

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on Nov 10, 2011

lulapilgrim
If Almighty God and His religion is not the basis of morality, what is?

BoobzTwo
How about some common sense and the laws we govern ourselves by for a couple of ways. Come on now, we are animals and none of the other species practice ‘type’ suicide. How long would we last as a species if we all went about killing our neighbors without cause, raping or fornicating with their children and wives, stealing their possessions, practicing infanticide and ritual sacrifice etc.

OK, you're on to something here. So where does the sense of right and wrong of our words and actions such as you describe here come from?

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BoobzTwo
Why do you call atheism a religion since by definition they do not conceptualize any god at all? What in the world is "universal" about religion??? I do not have religion and there is nothing wrong with my morality our only difference is that I do not need the Church to explain it to me.

BoobzTwo
You guys are dangerously undernourished from a lack of horse sense, fair terms, courtesy, humbleness, compassion, forgiveness, intelligence and most of all understanding of anything un-Catholic or requiring basic math or science.

Now here you take you own virtue as a standard and proceed to find other people wanting when measured by it. It often happens that those who canonize themselves as models of perfection and regard Catholics as lacking these things you describe above.

It's impossible to truly be moral and honest without being religious. Religion is the highest form of honesty and morality, a strict duty to God. I'm going to try to get my point across by giving this example:

Jones owes one man $100.00 and another man $1.00. He pays the $1 but not the $100. Smith also owes $100 and to another $1, but pays the $100. but not the $1. Whose is the greater dishonesty? Now each one owes a tremendous debt to God and a lesser one to his neighbor. 

One may pay the lesser but neglect the greater. One's neighbor who fulfills his religious duties at least tries to pay the greater, though he may seem to you to neglect the lesser. But he is the more just, moral and honest at least in so far as he attempts to pay the greater. The one who is just to his neighbor, but does not bother in his duty of religion, is the kind of person who pays the baker for his bread he puts into his body, but nothing to God for the body he puts the bread into.

Another definition of religion...religion is a strict duty of justice to God acknowledging our indebtedness to Him. If religious people sometimes fail in morals, honesty and these things you name above, I don't justify it.  

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