At least bring common sense to the table
All I have to do is ask YOU?
Published on February 18, 2011 By BoobzTwo In US Domestic

                Obviously this was a bad Idea.  Probably won’t be the last … but it has been educational, in a bad way. This series had nothing to do with religion at all, go figure. And since I am writing this, I don’t feel inclined to repeatedly tell you this is my opinion so just take it as a given. Since I do not have a Religious preference (and very specifically yours), it is impossible for me to respond to all your nonsense and you know it. WHY the nonsense?

                You are afraid of me and what I represent to your Religion!  You do not overly concern yourselves (outwardly) with other religions because you understand that they too have sacrificed their individuality to whatever collective is important to them (surely not your Master in Chief). The only times I became entangled in such nonsense as this in the past, was when I (used to) try to breach other brick walls. Don’t forget all those virgins the other guys were smart enough to demand.

As another example of mental conditioning, try talking to some liberal with a 9th grade education about GW in general let alone man made GW, who believes Igor their messiah … yuck … If you were inclined to be honest, this is exactly WHY we here in America are where we are now … EVERYONE is right and EVERYONE else is wrong

There is only one thing preventing worldwide cooperation and posterity the modern world could only imagine now, and it all boils down to … I am right and YOU are wrong.  (Of course, YOU are I here and I am YOU … of course.) Humm “I am, you are he, she it is …?” You figure it out?

The truth cannot be restricted to you alone and very seldom lasts longer than the time it takes for some miscreant person to learn of it. Your naiveté is unconscionable and inexcusable. … And because I am still put out by all your nonsense, I will give you vampires my stupidity rant … because your ignorance and self-rightness pomp, pretentious arses one and all, that you are!

If “I WERE GOD”: (OMG)

I would see no reason to take 6 days to build the Earth (don’t remember exactly); I would have no reason to rest on the Sabbath or for any other reason. I would have no use whatsoever for mind dead robots who can recite the Bible frontwards and back. Can you even imagine trying to tell people of this era that not only is the Earth round and that there are billions of Suns in our small galaxy and that there are billions of galaxies in our large universe … how long do you think you would have lived? Can you imagine the cries of heresy in a time when that was not a good thing.

 I would like to think that I could at least been original in in my Godly attributes and NOT plagiarize them from the ‘nonexistent’ past. And while we are still here; If I were concerned with promoting a lie, I would remove the billions of years of history preceding it … much better. I won’t even get into the plagiarized statements throughout that scrupulous Book of yours … WORD FOR WORD from past pagan worshippers.

But you have the UNIVERSAL pat talking points when any of your arguments fail under any scrutiny at all … “God works in mysterious ways, my son” and if that still doesn’t work you pull out the granddaddy of the all … “The devil did it”, another factious figure from your Good book written in an era of pagan worshipers.

No, the perceptions from a people with this limited a concept of reality, no matter how (ig) noble their intentions, could have anything to say that doesn’t belong in some archive. How could they know … and how could you believe them without question … brainwashing … MAYBE?

Then the flat little world grew up and actual factual TRUE knowledge was recorded and passed outside the closely guarded circles of your ilk and their ilk’s influence, and then communications became extensive and quick and then the death of ALL pagan religions began at last. You cannot FAKE a virginal birth … any more. Beware the “Age of Aquarius” … because it is almost upon you.

Now if you took the time to read this nonsense (yea, right), this is why (short version) I do not believe in your absolute unquestioning misplaced faith. If you ever want to discuss my problems with your (all) Religions, just stick your bible where the sun doesn’t shine and come prepared with facts and figures … not self-serving bloviating and ‘words of wisdom’ from some ilk’y figure you cherish. Try using your own words in ‘American Speak” just like I did … and if it is not beyond your ability, try being civil.

And lastly, if I were an omnipotent GOD, all-knowing and all that trash, I would wipe out this miserable failure and save all the death and agony people have learned to bless each other with… and start with whales or dolphins or some other superior subjects.

 But since I am a very happy and free minded person, living in the real world well beyond your limited little isolated circle of existence and influence with its mindless restrictions on mental and physical freedom, I really do not care …


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on Feb 24, 2011

#1

KFC Kickin For Christ

I do not believe in god … what am I missing?

Salvation. 

Is a valid belief. But it is just that.

#2 

And Truth?  You no more have to accept my faith, or anyone elses here as the "truth".  IN the end, it is just our belief after all.  We may be right (we believe we are) in which case you are in trouble in the next life.  Or you may be right (we believe you are not), in which case there is no after life.  But note the operative word in the parentheses above.  Belief.  Both have them.

The real truth is you have to be comfortable with your belief.  Let's leave it at that as I am bad at religion (discussing it), and just wanted to say you have to do 2 things in life - #1 Be true to yourself. and #2 - do not maliciously harm others with #1.

on Feb 25, 2011

We may be right (we believe we are) in which case you are in trouble in the next life. Or you may be right (we believe you are not), in which case there is no after life. 

Yes,  one way has dire consequences while the other way has none.  If, we are right (and we believe we are) then those who do not, have lost everything.  If they are right (and we are not) we have lost nothing. 

 

 

on Feb 25, 2011

And Truth? You no more have to accept my faith, or anyone elses here as the "truth". IN the end, it is just our belief after all. We may be right (we believe we are) in which case you are in trouble in the next life. Or you may be right (we believe you are not), in which case there is no after life. But note the operative word in the parentheses above. Belief. Both have them.

BoobzTwo asked ""What is the Truth?" and you ask "And Truth?"  To that I'll add, And Truth from Falsity?

 

Faith....belief...both sides have them.  But what is the belief of either side based on so we know we have the truth?

 

The real truth is you have to be comfortable with your belief. Let's leave it at that as I am bad at religion (discussing it), and just wanted to say you have to do 2 things in life - #1 Be true to yourself. and #2 - do not maliciously harm others with #1.

You say, the real truth is you have to be comfortable with your belief, however, being comfortable with one's belief doesn't necessarily mean one's belief is the truth, does it?

So even though you'd like to leave it at that, these questions deserve a serious philosophical response,

So, I'll offer this from  Dr. D.Q. McInerny, a professor of Philosophy. 

"Philosophy makes a distinction between ontological truth and logical truth. Ontological truth is the truth of the actual existence of things. To say something is ontolocally true is to do no more than acknowledge that is really exists. To be true in this sense simmply means to be an indisputable matter of fact. But something can be ontologically true without anyone being the least bit aware of its existence. Enter logical truth. When a human mind becomes aware of the existence of something, call it X, and when it knows X as it really is, (as opposed to having a distorted idea of the reality of X), than it can be said that the mind is in possession of the truth.

When it comes to attaining the truth yes, of course, we must always begin with ourselves.  We would be totally incapable of seeing the truth "out there" if we did not first have a truthful conception of who and what each of us, as individuals, really are. If I am blind to the truth about myself, there is no way I will ever be able to discren truth from falsity in the world outside myself." 

on Feb 25, 2011

And Truth? You no more have to accept my faith, or anyone elses here as the "truth". IN the end, it is just our belief after all. We may be right (we believe we are) in which case you are in trouble in the next life. Or you may be right (we believe you are not), in which case there is no after life. But note the operative word in the parentheses above. Belief. Both have them.

The real truth is you have to be comfortable with your belief. Let's leave it at that as I am bad at religion (discussing it), and just wanted to say you have to do 2 things in life - #1 Be true to yourself. and #2 - do not maliciously harm others with #1.

And Truth? You no more have to accept my faith, or anyone elses here as the "truth".

Boots, I could not have said it better … It is ALL I have been saying. So I am willing to take you at your word and we should be just fine.   

So in light of peace, I will warn you again:  these people have subjugated the TRUTH and that is that. You try talking to that brick wall, I am done with it. If you believe what you said above, then you will not be what … good enough for this breed of Christian. I would prompt you to look back at some of my articles and see for yourself the NO CHRISTIAN AT ALL attitude and slanders and judgments these good folk are capable of stooping to, in support of what I know not because they have never ever told me … I sure do not understand. It just seems so pointless and futile and destructive. As you said, they WILL answer for their sins … or I will be right, they will not be punished at all. I do not care how it works out === atheist === because I am not wrong (IMO). I just wish they would GO AWAY and spread their joy and happiness to someone more deserving than ME …  

Enjoy your writing and interactions here on JU. There are many meaningful people in here … you just have to find them ... humm.

on Feb 25, 2011

Boots ...

The real truth is you have to be comfortable with your belief. Let's leave it at that as I am bad at religion (discussing it), and just wanted to say you have to do 2 things in life - #1 Be true to yourself. and #2 - do not maliciously harm others with #1.

I warned you Boots, I believe this is YOUR quote, not MINE ... decision time … I underlined the unimportant parts for you to prevent confusion.

You say, the real truth is you have to be comfortable with your belief, however, being comfortable with one's belief doesn't necessarily mean one's belief is the truth, does it?

These scholars have more than likely laid it at my feet with all their other garbage … cross your fingers. Can you make any sense of this?

So even though you'd like to leave it at that, these questions deserve a serious philosophical response, So, I'll offer this from Dr. D.Q. McInerny, a professor of Philosophy

I highlighted and underlined the problems I have with it … you make your own mind up. My advice is GET AWAY from this nonsense unless you really like heartburn... Just speaking from experience is all. My oh my oh my …

Worst case scenario is you have just received your first demonstration of the improper use of some previously usurped words and that YOU are going to have to accept them, mind you.  Hints --TRUTH (yours), CHOICE (yours), OPINIONS (yours), VIEWS (yours) or even ones persuasion (mine) … (Little things like that) and they all take on whole new meanings herein.

If you survive what you ARE going to be up against … I would like to talk religion with someone who actually practices Christianity. I think we could have much to say considering only one stipulation … I do not believe in God and YOU do … then may I find some peace for a change.

Good Luck … you are going to need it! You see in the end, all they can do is hate me (you must know how important that is to me, hehehe) ... but YOU are a Christian and YOU they can make live through what I can only imagine as hell on earth.

on Feb 25, 2011

Lulu, just go away please.

So, I'll offer this from Dr. D.Q. McInerny, a professor of Philosophy.

ok ... why ...

"Philosophy makes a distinction between ontological truth and logical truth. Ontological truth is the truth of the actual existence of things. To say something is ontolocally true is to do no more than acknowledge that is really exists. To be true in this sense simmply means to be an indisputable matter of fact. But something can be ontologically true without anyone being the least bit aware of its existence. Enter logical truth. When a human mind becomes aware of the existence of something, call it X, and when it knows X as it really is, (as opposed to having a distorted idea of the reality of X), than it can be said that the mind is in possession of the truth.

IMO – Lulu, you do not understand this passage at all … but it doesn’t really matter RIGHT? At least pay attention to the FIRST WORD … I highlighted it for your convince. I know the actual WORD is in your constitution … but YOU are supposed to blast me with YOUR Philosophy silly … not open the door to worldly Philosophy. Look up the definition of that word (in a normal dictionary) and then tell me what it has to do with YOUR TRUTH?

When it comes to attaining the truth yes, of course, we must always begin with ourselves. We would be totally incapable of seeing the truth "out there" if we did not first have a truthful conception of who and what each of us, as individuals, really are. If I am blind to the truth about myself, there is no way I will ever be able to discren truth from falsity in the world outside myself."

This might have made good reading had you not done your norman cut and tuck prosessing and gave us more ... oh never mind I  can find it if I want.

I rather like this part (yea, highlights again). If you actually read this stuff (huh) it doesn’t matter because you do not know what it says … really because it says you are wrong, go figure. Are you this dense too? I do not believe in God but you HAVE GOT TO KNOW I have internet access too … huh? I know YOU use it for your bigotry … heaven behold, I do my own research and make up my own mind and all from my own research. The following was the first thing I ran across from of all things GOOGLE (OMG) and if I thought this nonsense had any meaning here (which I don’t) … I would have to BEG YOU for a … different … person, hehehe. You sure are silly.

Earn Your PhD Online. Learn More About Classes Online. Inquire Now.”

"D. Q. McInerny, Ph.D. Professor of Philosophy, Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary"

http://www.catholicsagainstcontraception.com/dr_mcinerny_contraception_disorder_of_nature.htm

on Feb 25, 2011

Sorry Lulu I got ahead of myself ... here is the correction.

When it comes to attaining the truth yes, of course, we must always begin with ourselves. We would be totally incapable of seeing the truth "out there" if we did not first have a truthful conception of who and what each of us, as individuals, really are. If I am blind to the truth about myself, there is no way I will ever be able to discren truth from falsity in the world outside myself."

on Feb 26, 2011

You win the number one prize for misconstruing things.  

As far as the quote I provided from Dr. McInerny, the professor of Philosophy of Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary, I was just adding something I thought interesting to the discussion. I get his snail mail newsletter and quoted from it...that's why there are some typo spelling errors that I should have corrected, but didn't.

"D. Q. McInerny, Ph.D. Professor of Philosophy, Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary"

http://www.catholicsagainstcontraception.com/dr_mcinerny_contraception_disorder_of_nature.htm

Yes, this is another one of Dr. McInerny's articles. It's dynomite. Keep googling him and read his articles; it'll do you good.

 

 

 

When it comes to attaining the truth yes, of course, we must always begin with ourselves. We would be totally incapable of seeing the truth "out there" if we did not first have a truthful conception of who and what each of us, as individuals, really are. If I am blind to the truth about myself, there is no way I will ever be able to discren truth from falsity in the world outside myself."

If you actually read this stuff (huh) it doesn’t matter because you do not know what it says … really because it says you are wrong, go figure.

I attain Truth by having faith in God, hope in God and charity (love of God and of my neighbor for His sake). I can and do indeed see the truth from falsity out there because I have a truthful conception of who I really am.  I am a child of God, an heir of Heaven, and a Christian keeping the law of my Lord Christ Jesus in charity. My life's task is to fit my entire being, soul and body into the beautiful and divine order established by Christ, the Incarnate Son of God.

 

on Feb 26, 2011

I know how self-righteous and completely full of yourselves you are and I understand that you and only you are capable of understanding or using TRUTH and REALITY. I understand you are always right and I am always not … and I assume you know all these things too … SO what, I do not care. I gladly grant you all this nonsense to be The Real Truth as only god’s children can understand and know … OK.

Now can we talk about the articles, if not … just go away please.

 

on Mar 01, 2011

Take this for however you want, but I offer it as MY observations.

Having read many of your recent posts, you seem to have the following traits:

1. You seem to take everything personally.  Comments written that do not agree with your thesis you seem to take as a personal attack.  They are not.

2. Your style of highlighting what you write is not highlighting your points, but rather making them hard to read.  use new lines and paragraphs to break up long posts or even sentences.  It makes it easier to read what you write and understand what you are responding to and about.

3. If you keep telling everyone to go away, they will. If your goal is to just write soliquys, you can always make your blog posts private so that no one can comment. 

4. If some bother you, blacklist them.  Almost everyone has used the feature from time to time.  You can also delete offending comments off of your blog from the www.joeuer.com site.

5. This is YOUR blog and YOU make the rules (subject to the TOS which I do not see you breaking).  If you do not like tangents, warn the parties, and then delete coments going off on them.  That will cut down on your comments, but it will help your anxiety level.

After returning from vacation and reading enough "just go away"s to last a blog-life-time, I offer my observations.  You can delete this post if you want to, and you can black list me.  But you may accomplish the latter if all I read on your blogs (to me as well as to others) is "just go away".

on Mar 01, 2011

Doc:

I wouldn't tell them to go away if that is not what I wanted. But the reasoning goes like this.

I have made my opinion of god known. And I have repeatedly stated that I do not do theology or religion. I have explained why (somewhere?) I have problems with side excursions ... but I still try. I have written many articles and have been unable to keep them out of the religious environment no matter what I say, once one of the devotees makes there first theological slam. I do not like censorship and do not plan on limiting anyone from commenting (could change my mind though) on my articles. (I do have a couple of private articles though)

I have had some interactions here without theological problems but it never last more than a comment or two. I usually do not know what is under discussion then besides theology and … bingo. I tried to be nice, then I tried to explain and then I started arguing which was not right I know, but I have been frustrated beyond measure. You have seen my articles; do any of them lend themselves to be religious? My only message throughout all this brouhaha is this:

I am an atheist = I do not believe in god = I do not do theology or religion, period.

The only part seeming of interest to these folks is the word ATHEIST. At some point most of them have acknowledged they do not have any problems with my atheism … but their comments say different.

Well, this is over on my side. I have done what I could to make peace and to find some even ground, but have not found any with the religious patrons here on JU (only seems to be here though, humm). I just do not understand all the bigotry is all. These are supposed to be practicing Christians, but that is not how they act, IMO.

Well, let’s see how things go from here, have a nice evening. It is my observation though that it is the dogged insistence that we dissect specific flagged words like … well it doesn’t seem to matter but their favorites are TRUTH and REALITY (American Imperialism) and I am viewed as lacking in both. Don’t make any sense to me, go figure.

on Mar 02, 2011

If you do not like censorship, ignore them.  You do not have to respond to their comments if off topic and one you do not want to address.

on Mar 02, 2011

DOC:

I understand that now ... but I really wanted to set a starting point where we could coexist ... unfortunately, I failed miserably having learned the hard way … some adults just refuse to act like it and some Christians don’t act like that either, go figure. I have never run into such foolish bigotry (to this extent anyway) and was trying to learn WHY … I found out why, no more problem. Sorry about the strange post of late … and I am glad you pretty much stayed out of it (good for you).

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