I watched Amistad and ... well you were right. As in all movies though, there are agendas and one has to be careful and wary. I know several that will not watch it (or Blood Diamonds) because of the ratings, go figure. Seems like a strange concept in the pursuit of the truth, oh well.  This movie just reinforces (vividly) my understanding of the cruel business of slavery. It is difficult to be objective when this kind of brutality is displayed … then I think of all the whining free Americans (Australians?) of today demanding relief from their self-imposed plights and it makes me want to cry.  The black people back then would think our slums an unbelievable paradise, how sad is that?
 
Thirdly if I might, I think the Board of no-Education needs to go away pronto like. Most mental pollution comes from there … and it is aimed at our children for nefarious state purposes. Maybe the States could put an actual education back into the school system. I don’t know what to do about the corruption that is Hollywood, but I believe they should be treated as the minstrels they really are, with cup in hand. And the only thing I see that can persuade the media towards the truth … would be some prompt executions (not literally). I believe the age of nonsense has replaced the age of reason and common sense (were we ever really there?) . And the sheeple are all warm and cozy and angry, go figure

We elect them to office 

Very good points Mystik 

Thank you for your services to America! Very good post, sorry It took me so long to get back here … I was engaged in mostly battling nonsense on other posts, sorry. As with any ‘movie’ one has to be careful of the imbedded propaganda and rut out the facts as best one can. I didn’t know about “the DeBeers Corporation”, but I do not understand how funding a movie like this can be seen as anything besides ‘a counter promotion’ … so why would they fund it? Sorry, I must have missed your point. Interesting about Obama’s dad, but I have not researched him so must withhold judgment. I believe Africa as a whole is as doomed as the Middle East is now. It is going to be really horrid when we are through with our exploitation of the region. As if it is pretty now, huh?

 

There's a few things I'd like to point out-

1. Luther being a "patron saint" of Nazism has nothing to do with Christianity or Luther himself. It has to do with the fact that morally corrupt people will use anything, up to and including God's own Word, to get whatever it is they want. They will twist words, cherry-pick passages, and whatever else.

2. From what it sounds like, the religious institution you used to be a part of promoted the idea that the Christian church replaced the Jewish nation, which I can tell you most certainly is not the case. God didn't dump Israel in favor of the Church; He still has plans for Israel, that include the Hebrew nation being saved to Himself.

3. I totally agree that religious institutions of any kind shouldn't have any kind of control in the government.

I find it difficult to sub-classify something so basic as evil? I would think the vast majority of people fall into the (justified?) side though. The people of the world would not tolerate others who do evil just because … unless they had the power and $$$ to protect themselves, not many. There is no morality problem; we just are dealing with people (after all) who make conscience decisions to disregard the moral truth or to redefine it for proper manipulation (justified?). Evil is just evil to me and it is (almost?) never excusable. Just semantics I suppose.

I never stopped corporal punishment with my children, but I did become sensitive to where, when and how. Discipline is not in short supply, it is just grossly misplaced and misused. Just try and get an honest answer from a career politician and you will experience discipline (and frustration) brought to new heights. Too bad they cannot commit such loyalty to the truth, go figure. We elect them on their "merits and orotundity", not our fault ... and then they do pretty much whatever they want and we let them ...  and that is our fault.

With all this PC nonsense, it is often times near impossible to have a civil discussion … when they (whomever) are right and everyone else is wrong. Nothing constructive can result if this is the starting positions for discourse. I am not comfortable analyzing stupidity which describes our political arena today. So I am going to pass on why idiots act like idiots, there are better things to discuss IMO.

Very well said ... best analogy I have seen in a long time, accolades. As for the rest of your post, I heartily agree there too. I have run into way to many people who refuse to even acknowledge the fact that the USG is imperialistic in almost all its motives … spreading democracy and freedom and all that nonsense, go figure.

It is more complicated than that I think. You can keep the church out, but not the church goers, that would be unconstitutional. So if people are in our upper chain of command (USG) and they believe in a higher authority than the state, then they will politic accordingly. I don't have a solution ... but I don’t think ‘morals’ and the USG have much in common any more, church goers included.

Excellent analogy. Not sure weather to put a smiley face because I like it so much or a crying face because of how true it is. 

 

 

 

I remember this movie.... very sad.

 

And very true in many forms, not just Africa, but Asia and the Islands too.

 

 

I think it depends on what is good.  Hitler was "good" in purifying his people and "uniting" the world.  But we all know he was "evil."

And yet there is Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., Albert Einstein, Jean of Arc, Mother Teresa, ect....

The potential for greatness exists for all people, it is a choice.

 

 

For the second point, Redemption is great, yes?

And money is simply a tool, it is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil.

Greed and jealousy is an exclusive human condition that will never be overcome.  It can only be consciously fought and defeated, individually.

 

 

 

The economic angle is simple - there are givers, and there are takers.  Thankfully, America Donates the most money to these countries, as well as buy their products.

How come no one is protesting Apple, or IBM, or any other tech sector that uses China's workforce?  The living conditions there are not much better, and suicide is a common thing.   Gotta love the modern world....

Simple. The people making the movies own stock in IBM and Apple. I'm sure the big so called "news" conglomerates do as well.

Do not confuse yourself here with humanitarianism as the USG’s benevolence comes at a steep price. There is no manipulating right and wrong or any moral for that matter, save that for the PC nuts. People make decisions on what they are willing to do verses the right and wrong of it and they make them with little forethought or afterthought often times spontaneously. The most destructive form of motivation is through terror and fear and we have the best experts money can buy.  Movies like this are vivid representations of motivation of this sort.

 

Hahahaha, exactly why my absolute favorite Simpson's episode is the one where the two presidential candidates are revealed as evil aliens and then the people of America have no option but to vote one of them into office! I have seen no better jibe at how screwed up democracy has become in America.

Oh wait, i lied, my absolute favorite Simpson's episode is the 'tontine' one where Mr burns is trying to have Grandpa Simpson killed... shoots up the old persons home and the other old dude says "was that you or was that me?". That line nearly put me in hospital it cracked me up so much!!!

 

Edit: sorry been away for a while, got a bit behind in the conversation.

 

BoobzTwo, glad to hear you watched Amistad. There are some truly masterful works of cinematic wonder in this modern age, movies that hit so hard it is like you have just been punched through a brick wall and then you have to pick yourself up and dust yourself off,,,, i love that!

America has never been a Democracy, and I assure you that you do not want one. Plutocracy or Polyarchy are much better descriptions of it, but a Republic was the founding Fathers principle. All the first order countries around the world fall into the Plutocracy variants. Our spreading “Democracy” around the third world is tantamount to a death sentence for much of the indigenous people and their infrastructure and their defensive capabilities. How would you like to live in a defenseless shattered country in the Middle East? That’s democracy for you, go figure.

I was a nuclear engineer for 25 years and have a special place in my heart for old Simpson and his place of employment, hehehe.

 

Well i have no particular urge to go into such great detail all for the purpose of not calling America a democracy. The two forms of government overlap, so it is all a bit ambiguous. But i will meet you half way and refer to America as a representative democracy, happy?

As for what you say about our so called 'spreading of democracy' around the world, i don't see your point at all? Clearly most if not all populations around the world seek democracy of some kind, so long as they have a say in who governs them. Just look at what happened in Egypt or Libya and even Syria! As for the third world, there is no third world country where the population has it any worse than the populations of medieval Europe (climate and overpopulation issues aside) as they go through the process of dragging themselves into the modern age. Western influences on the whole are very beneficial, but certainly we could and should do allot more!

 

 

 

 

 

Freedom and Demoncracy are just marketing catch phrases to rally the people. Then when people disagree with the policies behind "fighting for freedom" and "spreading demoncracy" you are labeled unpatriotic. Marketing 101