At least bring common sense to the table
… the movie – 2004 – By Michael Moore
Published on May 4, 2011 By BoobzTwo In Politics

I must confess that I actually thought I hated this man and everything he was about until I started experiencing an overload of inaccurate and fictitious information the USG keeps pounding out and calling it the truth … so I decided to try an independent review of what I thought I knew and didn’t really. So I never watched or read anything Moore was involved with but I was more than willing to tell you how screwed up he was. So I rented the movie from Netflix and watched it … and I was amazed.

I have watched it twice now and I cannot find one shred of much information that is not factual or accurate. Beyond some idiosyncrasies in his sense of humor (they are funny); he presents very valid arguments and backs them up with documentation and interviews. He brings to light many of the things I have discovered in my own research into deceit, terrorism and the USG.

When I was a liberal (before I knew better) the only accurate information had to come from another liberal else it was a lie??? Later when I made my second mistake and became a conservative I learned the error of my ways … the truth could only be had from like ilk … so imagine my confusion when I called the neolibs and neocons for what they are and went independent. Suddenly, I have no source of valid information at all now (seemingly hehehe). I have had no success at all trying to walk the moderate tightrope between all the sharks without one side or the other dragging me down, go figure.

As far as Democrats/Republicans are concerned, their only care about the independent majority is how many they can acquire each election. But no matter which side is the best recruiter or who gets most independent votes … matters that concern the moderates will largely be ignored or sidelined and the neo-politicians will go their own course virtually unrestricted and completely unaccountable.


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on May 10, 2011

SivCorp – What I tried to point out was that these items are politically unsolvable as our current madness so amply demonstrates. These are issues that affect all our people not any half or part of them. If you want to fight GW, then you fight GW not each other. You believes in abortion (selfish, uneducated, lacking moral fortitude) or you don’t but it will not be solved in the political arena. None of this was intended to be argumentative …? I do not understand why you are reading so much into this? You either believe in the Constitution or you don’t … how can this possibly be politicized and argued about? Leave the country … how about enforcing the USG bible … what arguments?

SivCorp
I don't see how protecting a nations people is non-political. I don't see how having law to protect the people i non-political. I don't see how providing a free market for productivity to thrive is non-political.
It seems like you don’t see much at all. What do any of the listed have to do with “protecting the people” or better still, why is there a political divide? Are you telling me that these things, like religion (where you won’t go,TG), all belong in the political hogwash that is the USG?
SivCorp
And I don't see how you can be taken seriously when you make these obviously flawed statements.
I see you didn’t take me seriously enough to answer the question of why this stuff is D or R or I driven.  These political divides are the mainstay of the USG otherwise the sheeple would have little reason to hate each other. Maybe it is because of your flawed interpretation of the whole post, go figure. They are arguing now on the constitutionality of Obama Care ... Why? I have no problem discussing the right due the American people so yes, I will go there if you actually think you can make a valid arguments ... but for you it will be theology you must use and ... well I do not do theology, sorry.

It appears as though we are communicating ... but I do not think that is the case because we aren't even talking about the same things, go figure.

on May 10, 2011

I got way behind the times of the 9/11 topic until now. Maybe a few of the posters here can critique ZERO.Investigation.Into.911 without even watching it as well.

I have never read the bible but I can tell you it's full of lies

on May 10, 2011

Mystikmind - Most understood little initially after 9/11 … only what the USG said. Don’t you remember all the neocons repeatedly stating that there can be no doubt that Saddam has WMD’s and that they had unimpeachable PROOF? Doesn’t sound like a guess or supposition to me? Take WMD’s out of the equation for the rush to war … and there wouldn’t have been a war. It all stems from the events of 9/11 and there is only one question. Do you believe in the veracity of the USG and therefor believe what you are told … or do you have questions and seek better answers? Well, I am in the latter class and just because I want a semi-believable explanation (I bring my proof and all) and the USG starts telling it ... Sort of like a birth certificate. If you do not want controversy simply show the proof … end of story. It has been 10 years now and still no truth is forthcoming. In all honesty … you actually believe the USG is doing all the hard work and all the dying and that we are saving the world from itself???  That is a valid definition of stupidity in my book, sorry.

on May 10, 2011

Saddam Hussein did have WMDs before the invasion, he used them on both the people of Iraq and Iran back in the 1980s when the US government made so many foreign policy blunders. Tell me their isn't something wrong with the current bin Laden death business when they can't even get their facts straight.

on May 10, 2011

myfist0 - It is typical that those demanding facts and figures and proof are really only interested in their own. But I have not seen their facts and figures because they are sparse at best. If these people are so mentally isolated they cannot even sit back and re-evaluate things they believe to be true considering the evidence available … well they are not here for clarification, go figure.

myfist0
I have never read the bible but I can tell you it's full of lies.
I don't think the bible is at fault. It is the people and organizations that demand that we believe them and all they say because of their self-proclaimed divine right to do so. Sounds like communism in full expansion mode

on May 10, 2011

Zeta1127
Saddam Hussein did have WMDs before the invasion, he used them on both the people of Iraq and Iran back in the 1980s when the US government made so many foreign policy blunders. Tell me their isn't something wrong with the current bin Laden death business when they can't even get their facts straight.
The call to war in Iraq was made on the back of 9/11 and was promoted on the nuclear lie and the al-Qaeda/bin Laden lie. Not chemical weapons used 20 years prior. The USG knew the injunctions were working better than expected and that Saddam was UNABLE to continue his weapons programs. We have the best intelligence network (Israel maybe), the most money and the most modern weapons in existence. We have covert teams all over the world and we have the best satellite tracking capability available.  We knew where all the bunkers were, all the palaces, all the military installations and all their major infrastructure and oil production facilities, hell, it seems that we knew everything we needed to know to go to war with a vengeance … except for the location of those WMD’s.
 
I can just see the idiot sitting in the White House smugly telling his ‘people’ that the SOB has got to have them … somewhere … right? Wrong! … The bin Laden business??? If the lips of the USG reps were moving at all, then I believe it is another fabrication because it is built around the larger lie of 9/11 and Iraq … and besides their story is pure poppycock … which seems to be the necessary ingredient for a practicing neocon (not accusing you here) to believe something as gospel, go figure

on May 10, 2011

myfist0
I have never read the bible but I can tell you it's full of lies.

The technical term for this statement is "blasphemy". The technical term for someone who makes this statement is "blasphemer".

That is all.

on May 10, 2011

myfist0 – Great movie! There were several things I had not considered (there is so much) but are crystal clear to me. It is typical that those demanding facts and figures and proof are really only interested in their own. But I have not seen their facts and figures because they are sparse at best. If these people are so mentally isolated they cannot even sit back and re-evaluate things they thought to be true considering the evidence available … well they are not here for clarification at all, go figure. All they have are talking points and snide remarks.

myfist0
I have never read the bible but I can tell you it's full of lies.
I don't think the bible is at fault. It is the people and organizations that demand that we believe them and all they say because of their self-proclaimed divine right to do so. Sounds like communism in full expansion mode.

on May 10, 2011

It points out a lot of stuff that should be checked for yourself. This things are made to make money and will always sensationalize there point of view like Moore. I never swallow anything hook, line and sinker like most do from any side. Both sides can present me the facts and I will make my own choice that I try not to push on others.

Never meant to put down any religion with that past comment, just wanted to make a point that may have been a little rash.

on May 10, 2011

Whiskey144

Quoting myfist0, reply 137I have never read the bible but I can tell you it's full of lies.

The technical term for this statement is "blasphemy". The technical term for someone who makes this statement is "blasphemer".

That is all.

Definition of BLASPHEMY

1
a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God
b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity
2
: irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable
You can call me a blasphemer but my statement still stands, back to home school. Non truths are LIES.

 

 

ROFL

on May 10, 2011

Except for the problem that the Bible isn't "non-truths" or lies.

It is THE truth.

on May 10, 2011

BoobzTwo
SivCorp – What I tried to point out was that these items are politically unsolvable as our current madness so amply demonstrates.

*snip*

 

Ah sorry.  That's my bad.  Try wording things a little better next time.....

 

 

And don't try Whiskey.  It isn't worth it.  If people won't apply the same standards to the Bible as other ancient texts, that is their problem.  You will not win that argument, because people are close minded to anything that resembles religion, God, or anything that doesn't center around them.

 

 

 

Through this whole "discussion" I have yet seen anyone submit a solution to all these problems.... interesting.

on May 10, 2011

Whiskey144 – The Bible - the sacred book of the Christian (whatever) religion. I and several billion people around the world think differently about you’re ‘the truth’ is all?

on May 10, 2011

Whiskey144
Except for the problem that the Bible isn't "non-truths" or lies.

It is THE truth.

do you know how many times the Bible has actually been changed and rewritten?

on May 10, 2011

BoobzTwo
Mystikmind - Most understood little initially after 9/11 … only what the USG said. Don’t you remember all the neocons repeatedly stating that there can be no doubt that Saddam has WMD’s and that they had unimpeachable PROOF? Doesn’t sound like a guess or supposition to me? Take WMD’s out of the equation for the rush to war … and there wouldn’t have been a war. It all stems from the events of 9/11 and there is only one question. Do you believe in the veracity of the USG and therefor believe what you are told … or do you have questions and seek better answers? Well, I am in the latter class and just because I want a semi-believable explanation (I bring my proof and all) and the USG starts telling it ... Sort of like a birth certificate. If you do not want controversy simply show the proof … end of story. It has been 10 years now and still no truth is forthcoming. In all honesty … you actually believe the USG is doing all the hard work and all the dying and that we are saving the world from itself???  That is a valid definition of stupidity in my book, sorry.

 

Well i was actually trying to make the point that proof of WMD's in Iraq was irrelevant. And your last remark (That is a valid definition of stupidity in my book, sorry) indicates you did not understand what i was trying to say.

With regard to the USG doing all the hard work and all the dying, this is in the perspective of the decisions of the global community as a whole in dealing with problems around the world. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, the global community chose to go to war to fix the problem and it was the global community that chose to leave him in power. Now here is the heart of my argument - We don't know what consequences that choice may have eventually produced, good or bad. America, by acting unilaterally allows the global community to escape the consequences of it's decisions..... see what I'm getting at now? So the global community gets to sit back and enjoy not facing any consequences of it's descisions meanwhile criticizing America while... "America scuffling around under their feet doing all the hard work, all the dying". all this is towards the point of why America should not have invaded Iraq the second time "The international community chose to leave Saddam in power after war number 1 therefore if Saddam was to eventually use weapons of mass destruction the US could sit back and laugh and say, "well that just proves we were right and you lot are all stupid"".

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