At least bring common sense to the table
… the movie – 2004 – By Michael Moore
Published on May 4, 2011 By BoobzTwo In Politics

I must confess that I actually thought I hated this man and everything he was about until I started experiencing an overload of inaccurate and fictitious information the USG keeps pounding out and calling it the truth … so I decided to try an independent review of what I thought I knew and didn’t really. So I never watched or read anything Moore was involved with but I was more than willing to tell you how screwed up he was. So I rented the movie from Netflix and watched it … and I was amazed.

I have watched it twice now and I cannot find one shred of much information that is not factual or accurate. Beyond some idiosyncrasies in his sense of humor (they are funny); he presents very valid arguments and backs them up with documentation and interviews. He brings to light many of the things I have discovered in my own research into deceit, terrorism and the USG.

When I was a liberal (before I knew better) the only accurate information had to come from another liberal else it was a lie??? Later when I made my second mistake and became a conservative I learned the error of my ways … the truth could only be had from like ilk … so imagine my confusion when I called the neolibs and neocons for what they are and went independent. Suddenly, I have no source of valid information at all now (seemingly hehehe). I have had no success at all trying to walk the moderate tightrope between all the sharks without one side or the other dragging me down, go figure.

As far as Democrats/Republicans are concerned, their only care about the independent majority is how many they can acquire each election. But no matter which side is the best recruiter or who gets most independent votes … matters that concern the moderates will largely be ignored or sidelined and the neo-politicians will go their own course virtually unrestricted and completely unaccountable.


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on May 08, 2011

Whiskeys two favorite words: prove and idiot. Forget it, I changed my mind I offered an olive branch, and your still a dick.

on May 08, 2011

Sticks and stones... but really... how mature do any of you think you are once you get down to name calling? I mean really HOW OLD are we all? I assume most of us are over the age of 18-20. I don't mean to poke a stick or point fingers at anyone but when a thread melts down to just name calling and insult throwing between members that gets to a point where a thread needs to be close because now members are bashing each other. IF I were a mod of the SD forums this thread would be locked and members would be receiving infractions.

advice... KEEP IT FREAKING CIVIL.

on May 08, 2011

Whiskey144 - Now I understand this nonsense.  Your screen name, your name calling, your tangents to nowhere, your lack of civility and understanding and reason, your inability to research anything and your demands for others to do the research for you, your proclivity for fantasy games the whole gamut of nonsense … reminds me of my son, strange that. You must be the product of the government’s un-education system that is producing our own doom as we speak and probably without even a HS degree, go figure.

There is nothing I could tell you or show you or even prove to you, that will not be ridiculed and dismiss offhand … because you are just an uninformed spoiled child. Make all the demands you like … I’m not going to swap insults with clueless children.  So go bother someone else with your whining and childish temper tantrums. Guess I was having so much 'fun', I failed to see it.

on May 08, 2011

 Right on Eternal

I have not seen or read anything on 911 since that 5th Estate doc I linked above which is a couple of years ago but to my amazement the truth movement has grown by leaps and bounds to include some very prominent figures and journalist worldwide are making more documentarys and writing books.

I would guess though that former hero firefighters from NY who join Firefighter for Truth are just naffing idiots? 

 

 One way or another that bitch that stood up on TV and said the air was safe to breath for 1st responders should be shot and pissed on.

on May 08, 2011

myfist0 - A documentary called Terrorstorm by Alex Jones is quite informative too. It is of broader scope but centers on terrorism.

 

 

 

on May 08, 2011

Whiskeys two favorite words: prove and idiot. Forget it, I changed my mind I offered an olive branch, and your still a dick.

I'm not a "dick", I'm a "troll". There's a very big difference. A "dick" is unreasonable for the purpose of being unreasonable. A "troll" is unreasonable for the purpose of self-amusement.

BoobzTwo
Whiskey144 - Now I understand this nonsense.  Your screen name, your name calling, your tangents to nowhere, your lack of civility and understanding and reason, your inability to research anything and your demands for others to do the research for you, your proclivity for fantasy games the whole gamut of nonsense … reminds me of my son, strange that. You must be the product of the government’s un-education system that is producing our own doom as we speak and probably without even a HS degree, go figure.

There is nothing I could tell you or show you or even prove to you, that will not be ridiculed and dismiss offhand … because you are just an uninformed spoiled child. Make all the demands you like … I’m not going to swap insults with clueless children.  So go bother someone else with your whining and childish temper tantrums. Guess I was having so much 'fun', I failed to see it.

1. There's a couple of things that describe what I am subjecting you to: trolling, and the fact that this is a debate, in which you must prove my position wrong.

2. I fail to see how my enjoyment of fantastical entertainment has any bearing on the debate/discussion at hand. As an aside, this is a perfect description of the "Ad Hominem" fallacious attacks you are previously charged with being guilty of.

3. I'm actually homeschooled. So there goes your claim WRT the government's education system. Personally though, public school systems, are, IMO, pretty poor. But that has more to due with degradation of curriculum quality and teaching skill than government intervention, IMO.

4. Once again, Ad Hominem attacks. You cannot disprove my position, so you attack me. In actual debate circles, you would be lampooned for such dishonest tactics.

5. I'm not trying to get you to swap insults with "clueless children". I'm trying to get you to attempt to prove my position is incorrect.

So you see, everything you've just said is completely irrelevant to the goals I had, and the particulars of my person.

EDIT: Since it's pretty obvious that you're simply going to ignore my demand that you provide actual evidence, and continue with the Ad Hominem attacks, I'll switch to full-on troll mode instead.

BoobzTwo
myfist0 - A documentary called Terrorstorm by Alex Jones is quite informative too. It is of broader scope but centers on terrorism.
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Apparently you're such an idiot that you are incapable of properly embedding videos.

Lulzy fail is lulzy.

on May 08, 2011

Whiskey144 – Now I understand this troll business, thanks for the update though. I knew there was little intelligence behind this nonsense and now I understand why … just like a child. I thought I was the troll, hehehe so have fun in your excursion into stupidity, it's where you belong.

on May 08, 2011

on May 08, 2011

myfist0
I would guess though that former hero firefighters from NY who join Firefighter for Truth are just naffing idiots?

No, just fools.  Intelligent people can be wrong.  And foolish.

on May 08, 2011

No, just fools. Intelligent people can be wrong. And foolish.
Don't you consider yourself intelligent ...

on May 08, 2011

BoobzTwo
Whiskey144 – Now I understand this troll business, thanks for the update though. I knew there was little intelligence behind this nonsense and now I understand why … just like a child. I thought I was the troll, hehehe so have fun in your excursion into stupidity, it's where you belong.

BoobzTwo
Don't you consider yourself intelligent ...

These two quotes illustrate the attitude I take offense at. Every single person who disagrees with you or has a view that differs from yours is, in your opinion, unintelligent and/or a simpleton.

To tell truth, it wasn't until my last post that I actually decided to start trolling for the lulz. Every single post preceding that was seriously concerned with the content of this thread.

Every single post you make in which you denigrate your oppositions' intelligence simply proves what you really are:

An idiot who can't prove jack shit.

myfist0
*awesome demotivational pic*

Lulzy pic is lulzy.

on May 08, 2011

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
Thomas Jefferson

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Hermann Goering

on May 08, 2011

With all the nonsense going on, it never occurred to me to check YouTube, thanks myfist0. This is a documentary opposing the USG's story of the events from the 2000 election through 9/11 and to Iraq . . . It is almost 2 hours long, anti-governmental in scope and delivered with typical Moore sarcasm.

Fahrenheit 911 - Bush cheated in the 2000 election and the full length movie

 


 

  

on May 08, 2011

Thanks, guys. This thread makes me feel a lot better about my life.

Seriously.

on May 08, 2011

myfist0 - The most difficult hurdle I had to cross was the ingrained patriotism I have felt since the concept became meaningful. I just couldn’t accept that an American president would collude with a (fictitious) enemy. I might not have changed this opinion had the USG made rudimentary attempts at honesty and transparency. In this mixed up mess we find ourselves, it seems that transparency has been bastardized to mean whatever the USG says … end of story. Once this patriotic hurdle was crossed it became easier for me to connect most of the dots. I am as patriotic as I have always been … I just know what it means now.

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