Nice simulation!

First off, I barely even know psychoak.

Secondly, I consider the US to be a failing institution, to the point that the country is already dead and simply doesn't know it yet.

Thirdly, I consider all news channels taken in isolation to be suspect; only be assessing the aggregate of the information presented can a reasonably objective analysis be constructed. And even then, it's still faulty.

+1. I'll also note that my main reason for supporting the invasion of Iraq was because my dad was deployed as a US Marine in the vanguard of the invasion force. OTOH, at the time I barely understood politics in general, let alone the issues at hand.

Emphasis mine. Here's a hint, BoobzTwo: 4chan.

'Caught lying' is a stretch.  Just another example of the clumsiness in storytelling highlighted in the second video.

As for that second video, I'm glad to know Linda Ronstadt's opinion.  And that Morning Joe thought it was worth quoting.  That's really helpful (was he angling for a date or something?).  I laughed at the rest, too.  But, at the time, and since, I was more interested in his policies and actions than his (lack of) public speaking ability.  Obsessing about the latter was, and remains, a frivolous exercise, a diversion, unserious.

And the 5th Estate 'documentary' was a rehash of all the truther idiocy.

I really hope you don't buy in to any of that, myfist0.  That you're just trying to be entertaining.

Sinperium – I am as open to debate as most, but if you noticed there is no such thing going on here, just a lot of talking points and whatnot. The Middle East has been unstable for, well forever. References to “if Saddam were here” are meaningless because we would not be having this discussion otherwise. I do not think much of this stuff about aluminum tubes is accurate … they were less than three inches (2.929133858267717”) in diameter Project Babylon was a reality, but I think you give it too much relevance.

If “that doesn't invalidate the fact that Iraq was a threat and danger in many ways and always had been.” … did we suddenly grow a conscience or something, we are talking the USG here you know? Sure Saddam was a very bad guy … but he certainly wasn’t the worst so did we make another moral decision here? If megalomania were a crime punishable by death, I think there would be a large downward fluctuation in the earth’s population, go figure. And I have no idea who you asked about Libya, but people of like mind in my circles just want the USG to stop its aggression around the world.

The funny thing about frenzies and rants is that it is always the other guy doing it. I have found that the most racist people I know … are the ones who cry racism the loudest … just a thought. Nothing in life is simple except maybe childbirth (child’s perspective).

This thread makes me LOL 

 

 

I don't know why you guys feed the troll....

Boobz, it isn.t the tube diameter that was so important, it's the fact they wer machined aluminum with relatively thick walls and one piece with flanges. It's the sort of thing you use to mount and shield/reinforce modular components with such as rocket motors and fuel lines and multi element warheads. It's way too expensive a component for a mere dumb rocket and too high quality for simple missiles or artillery warheads. My reply is more to the point of Michael Moore and his film and you're right, there is no conscience in the film-- just an angry effort to cast blame and be right so others will do the same. It's effectively propaganda. As to Project Babylon, it was known to have been conducted for two things--to threaten Israel and Iran. That was the only use for it and it's stated purpose by Saddam (theIsrael part). I'm not saying that invading Iraq was a good or rightly done choice by us. I'm pointing out that in all the outrage and indignation in these sort of slanted pieces, it's never evenly applied. Troll feeding is like the annual running of the bulls--sometimes you jump in and sprint a few yards.

Trolls... you gotta love trolls... lmfao rofl

I am sure you could if you tried. I can easily prove most of your facts are in error … hum, did you give any facts at all?   From here …
Seems pretty clear to me.    To here …
Seems pretty unclear to you though. How am I supposed to take this seriously, hehehe. I believe everyone here is aware of your feelings for the movie and the person.  To here?
ok you got me here ... I just cannot do it ... but if you want to talk probability here, I'd say about 99.9999999%. I cannot go that last 1/10,000,000th yet. You do not need my help in this endeavor is all? I know you do not agree with me and I have no idea why anyone would fake simpletonism? Never seen anyone so hungry for “incontrovertibly proof” … aren’t we all?
Sounds like the perfect reason to believe the USG for sure.
No such document exists but it can be traced through German and Dutch brokers ... did you happen to catch the “we probably sold him” before demanding incontrovertible evidence?
… within American policy ???… Rapidly degenerating into uselessness …where you been for the last 50 or 60 posts??? Lastly, who are the degenerates … indeed?
You have got to be joking ... right? How is anyone supposed to take you seriously, go figure.

SivCorp - Come on down and have some of this "fun".Trolls are not really such bad ??? trolls. Intelligence is in much need here, hehehe.

I guess the same reason for why 1 side of the highway has an accident and the other side has a traffic jam.

Whiskey...there are no Elemental people here....their still trying to get their game to work. On second thought , maybe between OOM crashes.

As I believe the war turkey shoot in Iraq is as unjust as things can get, I place the impetus for it on the 9/11 Bush conspiracy. That is why I have done so much investigating there. I thought there were many poignant points in the movie but the statements made by Bush, Rice and Powel as to the existing conditions in Iraq in late 2000 and early 2001was one and this little bit of info should have sufficed to prevent the war from starting. They said that the injunctions against Iraq have worked better than expected and that Saddam has not been able to repair his war machine ... that he was no threat to the Middle East or the world from a military standpoint, go figure. Hard for me to believe such drastic conditions could have reversed themselves in less than two years under those conditions. They even went so far as to state that He had made no progress at all in the WMD department and that what he had ... was seriously degraded.

 

There ya go.

1. The burden of proof is on you, you naffing idiot. YOU made the claim that you consider Moore's film to be factual, whilst I disputed that. Thus, you must provide the proof that Moore's film is indeed factually valid.

2. I have presented no facts, because the burden of proof is not on me.

My description and/or feelings regarding Moore's film and person are only relevant to the debate insofar as they provide evidence for my position that said film is factually invalid and that Moore is an incompetent moron.

My challenge is by definition unanswerable, because you can't prove I'm a simpleton for disagreeing with you. Further, that you continue to hold said opinion only illustrates just how truly naffing stupid you really are. I'm not a simpleton, you're simply an idiot.

As for the "proof" part, the burden of proof is still on you. The ball is in your court, so to speak.

You'll note that I've never actually said I trust and/or believe anything the US government says. I've said that I'd trust Bush more than Michael Moore, but I still wouldn't trust Bush that much, because I have a basic distrust of politicians in general.

BTW, the technical term for this statement of yours is "spin doctoring". It's exactly the same thing Moore does, so I'd say you did learn something from his fallacious and factually invalid film.

For one thing, there was some satirical commentary in that comment. That you fail to realize it only proves you're stupidity. For another, this thread is rapidly degenerating into uselessness because in the OP you claim that the majority of information presented in Moore's film is factually correct.

I'm disputing that, and you have, to date, provided zero information that disproves my position.

WRT the "degenerates", that would be you. For several reasons:

1. You insult people with a veneer of civility. This is drawn back to the "gutter language" comment of yours and the fact that you continue to consider those who hold the opposing viewpoint to yours to be "simpletons".

2. You're guilty of numerous logical fallacies, including:

2a. Ad Hominem Attack: you call your opposition simpletons instead of actually trying to disprove their claims.
2b. Style Over Substance: you consider my arguments invalid because of my use of "gutter language".
2c. Strawman: you're pretty much ignoring the actual debate in favor of some ridiculous one you've concocted.
2d. Hasty Generalization: you take the small group of definable events in which the USG is wrong, and use them to say "USG is always lying and wrong".

I'd say that that more than proves you're an idiot.

No, my dad really was part of the vanguard during the 2003 invasion. However, this statement is a perfect example of a dishonest debating tactic called "cherry-picking". Because, you naffing idiot, you are taking the statement out of context.

If you had bothered to read past that sentence, or actually pay attention to the context, then you would realize that at the time I had little understanding of politics in general, and hence my reason for supporting the 2003 invasion was because my father was a servicemember who was part of the invasion force.

It's not that hard to understand, you naffing idiot.

You're an idiot. On the first page alone of this thread, I count five people posting from the Elemental forums, excluding yourself. Top it off with a sixth person on the second page, and the fact that three of the five from the 1st page continued posting from the Elemental forums.

I'd also like to ask you about this comment, from earlier in the thread:

And where else have I conversed with you, hmm? TBH, I don't recall ever seeing a post by you, let alone holding a conversation or debate with you. Because AFAIK, I have never posted stuff back and forth with you, so as far as I'm concerned, you don't know jack shit about me.

Whiskey....you just called me an idiot, when all I was trying to do was to bring a little sarcastic humor in to the conversation. An olive branch even....making fun of the obvious Elemental getting it to run problems. Read that post again and I will wait for your apology.

I would apologize, since you've stated that your post was made in jest.

But that last sentence reeks of pomposity, and so I will wait until you prove that you aren't as pompous as that sentence makes you look.