Tut-tut, psychoak. Neither you nor Mumblefratz are idiots; you're both just apparently angry men with a flair for rhetoric and a taste for combative typing.

Mumble has vexed me sorely on many occasions when he used angry typing to argue for policy positions that I share. You vex me because I can't quite understand why you appear to care about civic participation while also having an abysmally low opinion of your fellow nekkid apes. What the fuck is up with that? Are you a closet politician, or perhaps a radical small-d democrat? You certainly sound like a man with an agenda sometimes...

In case you're wondering this is a clip from my last Elemental game while on the Sword of the Sovereign quest.

I beg to differ on both counts.  The only evidence suggesting the contrary on my behalf is from relatives and teachers, neither of which count.  The latter for obvious bias, the former because they're a bunch of damned idiots themselves that typically couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag.  If there is any evidence to the contrary in regards to Mumblefratz, I've never seen it.  His ability to pursue a career does not negate a complete inability to think for himself.  The gold standard for a product of group think.

Sadly, I have a duty to vote as a well informed citizen.  Knowing I'm utterly fucked and will never have anyone actually accomplish anything resembling acceptable goals doesn't negate that damned irritating problem.  I'd greatly appreciate it if 90% of the current voters stopped, as they're not well informed and have, at this point, rammed uncle so far up their own ass they barely have room for their own heads.  Although at this point, we're probably utterly hosed regardless.  Defaulting on the national debt and collapsing the world economy might even be the lesser of two evils right now...

My participation in threads such as this are just a byproduct of abject stupidity.  I know better, which is partially why I don't mind verbally castrating people for saying stupid shit.  If it's going to be futile, it might as well be interesting.  The rest is because I'm an asshole.

It was both, actually.  The film was released in 1966.  Starred Julie Christie & Oskar Werner.

movie was crap by the way... lol I remember watching it during an english class comparing it to the book.

Ah. Well I was unaware of this.

The real problem is that we do have "real" things to deal with in this world but in the meanwhile every power-monger, narcissist  and closeted agenda opportunist wants to take real issues and divert them to "their issues".

If we were trapped at sea and realized we didn't have enough food for everyone to eat whenever they wanted, we'd all work out a way to balance it so none of us starved.  People with agendas pick in advance the "side" they want to starve--the food is already theirs in their own minds and its all about getting rid of opposing views by winning enough others over in the life boat so they can toss overboard the ones they don't like.

Pretty much describes 99% of politics and internet postings.   How ironic.

Aside from the pleasure of drooling over Christie (I was all of 17), I agree.  Enjoyed the book, though.

Michael Moore does little more than either, get the facts completely wrong, or misuse and/or twist the facts he does have, which is a very bad combination.

What overload of US government lies are you talking about? Sure they are by no means perfect, but come on, what does Michael Moore is far worse, because he edits the facts to fit his view point, which gives it virtually no merit in any kind of serious intellectual discussion.

Hmm, let's try that from my point of view

Michael Moore The USG does little more than either, get the facts completely wrong, or misuse and/or twist the facts he they does have, which is a very bad combination.

Show me a bigger lie to the people from Moore than WMD in Iraq. How is any supposed lie by Moore worse than getting a nation to go to war over a lie.

Just my observation which you could also carry over to TV news, newspapers, magazines and every other form of media.

I've said it before but Edward Bernays' book Propaganda is a fascinating read. Bernays lays it all out in his first paragraph:

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."

Here's another gem regarding World War I (the book is full of 'em):

"It was, of course, the astounding success of propaganda during the war that opened the eyes of the intelligent few in all departments of life to the possibilities of regimenting the public mind. The American government and numerous patriotic agencies developed a technique which, to most persons accustomed to bidding for public acceptance, was new. They not only appealed to the individual by means of every approach—visual, graphic, and auditory—to support the national endeavor, but they also secured the cooperation of the key men in every group —persons whose mere word carried authority to hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands of followers. They thus automatically gained the support of fraternal, religious, commercial, patriotic, social and local groups whose members took their opinions from their accustomed leaders and spokesmen, or from the periodical publications which they were accustomed to read and believe. At the same time, the manipulators of patriotic opinion made use of the mental cliches and the emotional habits of the public to produce mass reactions against the alleged atrocities, the terror and the tyranny of the enemy. It was only natural, after the war ended, that intelligent persons should ask themselves whether it was not possible to apply a similar technique to the problems of peace."

Bernays is writing this as someone who not only believes in the need of this shadow leadership; he helped craft it. See any similarities today? The left/right or Democrat/Republican arms all swing on a crafted pendulum of propaganda. Understanding this is akin to Neo unplugging from the matrix.

myfist0 – Sorry, no logic allowed herein. If you are unable to defend your views with contentious fortitude and a fair share of name calling … well you just don’t know nutin about nutin, hehehe. It is amazing at how stupid people become when they disagree with the USG … as if they were some poster child of morality and pure conscience, go figure. It does no good to attempt communications with these mental midgets who know everything about nothing … just because they say so.

You insufferable, arrogant ass! How dare you claim that the people who disagree with you are "mental midgets"! You are the most arrogant person I have ever run across, and I've met some really nasty people. You think you're so high-and-mighty, so intellectually superior?

THEN NAFFING PROVE IT, YOU NAFFING IDIOT!

The more and more OP responds to the thread saying he's better then everyone the more I realize he's a complete nut who won't agree with anything anyone says. He's one of those people who thinks he's better then everyone else and that only the things he says makes sense and all other stuff others say is a complete load of horse hockey. For this you get the one finger salute on both of my hands because I hate people that are this way, makes you look like a complete hypocrite.

p.s. I'd find it extremely enjoyable if a mod stepped in and closed this festering hot hole and we'd be done with it instead of bashing each other endlessly until we all get infractions and then the thread is closed.