At least bring common sense to the table
Opinion of a non believer
Published on November 5, 2011 By BoobzTwo In Religion

Actual History is chockfull of the rise and fall of religions for millennia … many Ages. And they all have the following in common. Whenever they became week enough to lose control of the majority of the sheeple, they are replaced with a new Messiah and a new message just as the Christians have done with the ‘old Jewish’ religion when that too lost its strangle hold on the world of Man due to its barbarism as perceived by man in a new Age. Anyone who lives in a future time views almost everything from previous times to be barbaric (except for those that thrive in barbarism) and in this Christianity is no exception. It is my belief that the purpose of religion has always been nothing but a methodology to control the masses. The Bible (OT and NT) are replete with plagiarisms from the actual real world of the past. The NT is in itself a plagiarism from much of the OT. The stories of the Bible are impossible in the real world in which we all exist. I agree that many names and places were real, but this is just another plagiarism from the actual history of man. If you can place your hand on a Bible and swear that the Earth is what ~12,000 years old, then you are a fool. If you deny the evidence of science and technology, then you are doubly a fool. If you deny the evidence of early man or prehistoric man and can find no logic or truth in evolution you are a damned fool. And if you are so foolish as to allow the leadership of some rascals who lived thousands of years ago during the ‘glorious’ days when all this stuff was concocted … to control virtually every aspect of your life today, you are doomed. But all you have to do is ‘have faith’ and ignore your own perceptions of reality … and all will be yours, just bring your pocket book and come often … because we have castles and churches and armies to build to prove they are right, yea right. The all-powerful all-knowing one God would never vanquish the devil (certainly within reason for the all-powerful mindful of His sheep) because He would be destroying Himself … as there can be no light without the dark? What better ploy could man devise than to make the light and the dark impervious to the perceptions of man, the sheeple? The complete history of the universe and that insignificant little planet Earth with its complete compliment of well ‘everything’ … all described between the covers of a book written thousands of years ago by smart (-ass) people with nothing benign in mind whatsoever who championed a flat Earth for a thousand years for naught than to promote the new religion of the Age of Pisces … the two fish. It took man and a simple invention called a telescope to start the downward spiral of Religion (Christianity this time) and it cannot be stopped.


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on Dec 10, 2012

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on Dec 10, 2012

GirlFriendTess
Have you ever made any attempt to actually try and make evolution work, I think not … you just don’t want it to work and that is good enough for you.

You are an ace at pulling me back into the discussion.

I wrote that

Science is knowledge based on observed facts and tested truths arranged in an orderly system. Science is verified knowledge. I wrote that I don't believe Stellar and Darwin Evolution as neither one is Sciene as Science is described here in the dictionary definition. Neither one is founded on scientific facts.

GirlFriendTess
If the sciences aren’t founded in science, then what are they founded in

First we must admit that Stellar and Darwin Evolution are not Science according to the dictionary definition given above. They are speculations founded on assumptions, conjecture, and shifting propositions that have not ever been established by scientific fact.

Your point about the jigsaw puzzle is well made and well taken. It makes sense that you would see Stellar and Darwin Evolution this way...as unfinished business. But to me, it's a group of people chasing a phantom...a complete waste of time, money, energy and resources.

GirlFriendTess
It has nothing to do with science your bible, and science doesn’t have anything to do with anything unreal or magical. It is that simple.

I see it qujite differently. To me, life's answers to the myriad of questions facing us require both true Science and true Religion of which the Bible is a part.

on Dec 10, 2012

lulapilgrim
Reply #119 lulapilgrim
I wish you would stop this stuff Lula. As I do not believe in your god, what could miracles perportedlt performed by it, mean to me? This is basic logic and is not confusing or difficult. I would have thought this obvious to anyone actually reading my comments, go figure. Lula you have a whole book full of improvable impossibilities and you are betting your whole life on it as the absolute truth so it should go without saying, you have no idea at all what proof means because all you have is hearsay and impossible numbers. I think the god you claim responsible for creating everything AS IS and who is capable of orchestrating and maintaining its own biography error free for 6,000 thousand years couldn’t help but view your Catholicism as an affront to everything it and your bible are supposed to stand for ... the absolute word. Stop with all the quotes please.

on Dec 10, 2012

lulapilgrim
Reply #120 lulapilgrim
You don’t explain why anything is impossible you just say so, an opinion. I don’t know anyone by the name of molecular biology, but could you list some of the ones you pilfered this opinion from for example (sounds like Wells so we must be discussing ‘Darwinian evolution’ again). Whose advanced studies are you referencing as proof of what??? Lula I have the complete genome of a chimp and now of a human too … do you doubt that we have this information??? It is funny when I hear you say something scientific is impossible to occur especially due to complexity, we all need a good laugh once in a while though. You don’t care I know but you don’t seem to understand how many thousands of professional scientists you insult every time you open your biblically enhanced scientific mouth. If you want to understand the basics then you look them up just like I did. After you look up the basics let me know if you are still foolish enough to go real scientist vs. ‘YEC scientist’ because I am not ashamed of my reps and can list them in their hundreds with their PhD's and scientific pedigrees. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee_genome_project

 

on Dec 10, 2012

lulapilgrim
I see it quite differently.
Lula you see most things quite differently than I do ... should I hazard everything ... seems that way because for the last couple of years now ... I have never once gotten anything right ... and you never once got anything wrong IYO. That should tell you something valuable about our ‘discussions’ but I am sure it won't.

Your christian downfall started hundreds of years ago when the telescope was invented. No wonder you have no use for astronomy and the other sciences developed after that. Just our going to the moon and back should give you pause from badmouthing the science involved but it won't. Do you actually think our math and science could possibly be so wrong in everything (like me) and still be called math and science (human)? I am still waiting for your list of bad sciences!!!

on Dec 11, 2012

Is The Original New Testament Lost?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg-dJA3SnTA&feature=g-high-rec

This is an example of a debate as opposed to an argument. You do this by supporting your case not by telling me I do not know anything important. I am a better judge of what qualifies as ‘empirical’ evidence because I understand the term and I use the stuff all the time, what else am I supposed to use the bible, or should I make stuff up??? I am not qualified to refute anything in any science because I am not a scholar by any stretch and I have no majors in anything besides nuclear power which I suppose you don’t think works either. I cannot help it if you do not understand something there are plenty of things I don’t understand because that is just human. Besides you, I don’t know anyone who claims to know only the truth concerning the whole universe and everything in it … that is amazing because it cannot be true. I have gone out of my way to relate clips and things from other Christians but you scoff at them just as much as you do me. When you claim to have good evidence here or proof there, I say to myself: “Self, she doesn’t have one proof to justify her obsession with antiquity but she has proof galore that evolution doesn’t work anywhere, anyhow or anytime. And even though she thinks it is all just BS she wants to argue the few points other apologists think are somehow important.”  If there is some reasoning for this besides fear of discovering something important, well I sure don’t know what it is. And this attitude of yours doesn’t inspire me to get out my books and put much effort into something that you have outright rejected, what would be the point. As I said, you don’t want to discuss any of this stuff and I think it is because you cannot. If you KNOW the earth to be young then you should be able to prove it somehow without a bunch of begots, surely. You must have some figures to support a young earth right? You claim creationism is science but then you don’t like science because it doesn’t work and then you tell me that your science (as defined by you a YEC) works fine but mine (as defined by the rest of civilized society) is all screwed up??? You do not allow for conversing because you are too busy attacking everything I say like a good Christian Catholic is ordered to do.  You are supposed to defend and prove your case … not victimize the messengers of opposing beliefs none of which I participated in. You have no real patriotism to Christianity itself because you have no problem throwing other Christians under the buss (with me) if they dare to disagree with you too. You don’t see a pattern here, a bad one?

Lula you are intellectually dishonest in your blindness. I cannot discuss genesis with you by using science or evolutionary theory, so I tried to limit my argument to ~6,000 years and as I forecast, everything I stated at that point in recorded history was swept under the rug with your little comment about … “they were all sons of Noah …” According to you Noah’s line didn’t even begin until more than 1600 years later … and then they would have had to have enough children to branch around the known world which surely took another 500 magical years. Minimally you are trying to tell me that those cultures didn’t come into existence until ~2,000 BC??? But I thought we could go back 5 or 6 thousand years rather accurately. You change your argument to suit your purpose and that is disingenuous.

My Question

GirlFriendTess
If you are going to discuss the timeframe of genesis, then I would have to discuss some of the Cultures that existed on the real earth when your ‘first two’ humans were being poofed from dirt. Like the Badari culture on the Nile (c. 4400–4000 BC), Comb Ceramic culture (also endured the 6th, 4th), Maykop culture, Yangshao culture, Merimde culture on the Nile (c. 4570–4250 BC), Predynastic Egypt, and Proto-Austronesian culture is based on the south coast of China. They combine extensive maritime technology, fishing hooks, nets and gardening. (c. 5000 BC), Samara culture, Sredny Stog culture, Lengyel culture in eastern Europe, Ubaid culture, Cycladic culture—a distinctive Neolithic culture amalgamating Anatolian and mainland Greek elements arose in the western Aegean before 4000 BC, VinĨa culture (also endured the 6th, 4th, and 3rd millennia) and Yumuktepe and Gözlükule cultures in south Anatolia. But we aren’t going to go there are we? How am I supposed to even discuss genesis with you???

Your answer

lulapilgrim
You are discussing Genesis with me. Every one of these cultures came from the descendants of the sons of Noe.

… disingenuous.

on Dec 11, 2012

GirlFriendTess
I am still waiting for your list of bad sciences!!!

For this discussion my list of bad sciences are:

1. Stellar or Cosmic Evolution--- that falsely claims that nothing ignited (big banged) into elements which over vast amount of time evolved into a completely structured universe of galaxies, stars, planets and moons orbiting in perfect balance and order.  

2. Darwin Evolution---that falsely claims that life came from non-life and that the inanimate produced the animate..that all plant, animal and human life evolved from a one-celled origin to the present state over a period of billions of years.  

3.Theistic Evolution---that God used Evolution to create the universe and everything in it.

PS. If someone tells you the emperor is well dressed, ask questions, and insist on seeing real evidence before believing it.

All I've been saying all alone is those real scientific evidences (such as DNA, polonium halos, decay of the earth's magnetic field, helium content, etc.etc.) the true Sciences provide disprove these 3 pseudo sciences. But you don't seem to understand this or even want to begin to understand it.

All people have always had a deep seated need to explain their origins. In modern times, Atheists and Agnostics adhere to Evolution because God is out of the picture to the point they've constructed Evolution into a new metaphysics, an "atheology", a worldview that's not totally godless because it replaces the God of Genesis with impersonal gods.

The atheistic belief systems of Secular and Atheistic Humanism , Nazism, Fascism, and Communism, etc. all flow from the belief in pseudoscientific foundations of Evolution.

Yes, Atheism gained the upper hand over science long ago and as a result, they reserve for themselves the exclusive right to explain the universe and all the world around us and no one is permitted to question their explanations. Any scientist who deviates from the official atheist dogmas will not be considered.

on Dec 11, 2012

Lula I think we are well enough acquainted to stop playing games. You are going to convince me of nothing as long as you persist that the earth is young. If the earth is young then there is no such thing as science and we have proof of nothing at all … nothing at all. Obviously we both have made our choice. Your choice forces you believe without question whatever your church tells you and I cannot see this as free will because you have no input or options. I do not have anyone besides you or any organization telling me what I have to believe or not. And I can change my mind about things as I see fit as new information is made available to me. I do not go to gatherings of any kind and now that I ditched my GOP voter’s card I don’t even owe them lip service. When I read as a rule, I read for enjoyment or to brush up on something or to learn something new. I do not read anything with the intention of breaking something, only to learn … all you want to do is foolishly try to break the world I know because you have made a different one for yourself in your mind and you would force everyone else there too.

I am not trying to convince you of anything because we know that is silly for both of us. I do not know what you could possibly use to justify anything christian besides that bible of yours because that is all you have to claim a young earth or a Jesus figure. You assert you have scientists to back you up but they don’t seem to be able to tell time either. They are YEC’s versed in but intent on breaking the science they claim to know by using the exact same science we use to tell time … to prove that it doesn’t work … to tell time. You don’t beat on a pet evolutionary peeve or two and call that justifying christianity somehow … it is just a pointless attack. You cannot defend the bible without the bible so you attack anyone or anything contrary instead. You play the moral-hypocrisy card at every instance and claim divine knowledge but you don’t have any of your own and you cannot make anything in the bible work without magic. Science is science and biblical magic is gobbledygook from any scientific perspective. I don’t think you have your own opinions anymore and wonder now if you ever did. I just don’t have it in me to become a mindless slave to anything I do not need, don’t understand, cannot comprehend, is impossible to detect, verify or question and is completely impotent … AWOL … not the way to run anything IMO. But he will be back sometime after he remembers how to show himself to man again, hummm as he rains death and destruction on the world. Food for thought: If the universe wasn’t poofed into existence, then the earth couldn’t just be poofed out of it. That is a big plus for humanity and company!

Lula none of these things you listed are sciences that is why it is called modern evolutionary theory and it is instrumental in virtually all the sciences particularly the theoretical, the cutting edge. I don't think Darwin postulated that we came from nothing just the evolutionary process as he saw it with his limited capabilities and he certainly had nothing to say about astronomy either. I don't see things like this because I don't know how anyone could. I know you don't want evolution to be true but you need to be a little more specific. Your main concern IMO is to deny that we have simian roots and that is fine and something we should discuss but not as long as the earth is young IYO. DNA is all on my side and I refuse to allow you to interpret it as you see fit. It is easy to find on the net, just type in DNA and hit enter … then read. I told you the last time you brought these things up that we could discuss each and every one which I am sure is the last thing you want. But there is the matter of the age of the earth that takes precedence. If the earth is not almost 5 billion years old then it doesn’t matter what I say … and that is your opinion.

lulapilgrim
The atheistic belief systems of Secular and Atheistic Humanism , Nazism, Fascism, and Communism, etc. all flow from the belief in pseudoscientific foundations of Evolution.
You are way out there in loony-land and desperate to go here. None of this shit has anything to do with you or me nor has it anything to do with what you or I believe in so if stupidity was not the cause for this then ignorance was. I don’t GAS about your names and labels because they are ridiculously and catholically bigoted. Is this kind of bollox the best you can do in the defense of your creator, how pitiful … don’t you see what you have become? At this point considering how low you are willing to go, the ONLY thing I will discuss with you is the age of the universe … from my point of view it is the simplest to prove mostly mathematically. Until you stop calling me names and attaching me to whatever ungodly groups you choose, I really don’t want to talk further. I think you do this for your own benefit because you are the insecure one. That is why you only argue and try to break things … because you cannot justify christianity, Catholicism, the bible or JC without magic … or you would have tried to by now with something besides the platitudes of YOUR clergy.   

on Dec 11, 2012

But there is the matter of the age of the earth that takes precedence. If the earth is not almost 5 billion years old then it doesn’t matter what I say … and that is your opinion.

No it's not my opinion. It's actual facts of Science that suggest the earth is young, much much younger than 4.5 billion years old.

Here they are again for you to mull over.

 

Evolutionists claim the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Yet, There are a number of actual facts of Science that give limits for the age of the earth. One of them is the amount of radiogenic Helium in the atmosphere. It's far too little for the evolutionary belief the earth is 4.5 billions of years old. there was also a high retention of Helium which provides double proof for a young earth for if the earth were millions of years old, that helium would have totally escaped. Analysis of zircon crystals from deep in the earth revealed that almost no increase of lead escaped. This is powerful evidence of a young earth, consistent with a 6-10,000 year age. The population of the earth suggests the earth is "young". Evolutionists think humankind has been here for 1 or 2 million years. Even including wars, diseases and deaths, and only 2 children, the population would be 10 to the 2070 power in one million years. The salt and mineral content of the oceans suggest the Earth is "young". The earth's magnetic field suggests the Earth is "young". I've already mentioned trillions of polonium halos found in rock formations, granite, all over this planet. Robert Gentry has written a book and reported his findings in professional journals, but unfortunately, he's been shut out of the evolutionists science community because they realize his discoveries support a young earth and very strong evidence for Special Creation.

 

on Dec 11, 2012

lulapilgrim
Reply #129 lulapilgrim
(YEC) Requirements for a real scientist and proper expert (hahaha): Robert Gentry was influenced by a televangelist in 1959 and subsequently converted to Seventh-day Adventism and became a strict creationist (for over 50 years now). What is the guy supposed to do, be honest or maybe support god as you think you are doing. Hummm a tough one let's see, what should a real nuclear physicist and real scientist choose, the truth or magic??? Other than that, you have done nothing besides post a statement from someone(s) unknown with ‘errors and misstatements’ and with such authority as to pretend you know what you are talking about. DO YOU want to discuss one of these things or are you content with just reposting this over again and telling me how profound it is? It didn’t come from the bible so how could it be infallibly true anyway; it is after all done ‘scientifically’??? ... yada yada yada ... how old did you prove the universe was here I must have missed it? DO YOU want to discuss anything or are you content just telling me why the world cannot work without your specific brand of totalitarianism?

PS - Looking at your numbers though I vote we discuss populations and take a closer look at them numbers.

on Dec 12, 2012

 

GirlFriendTess
DO YOU want to discuss anything or are you content just telling me why the world cannot work without your specific brand of totalitarianism?

lulapilgrim
Yes, Atheism gained the upper hand over science long ago and as a result, they reserve for themselves the exclusive right to explain the universe and all the world around us and no one is permitted to question their explanations. Any scientist who deviates from the official atheist dogmas will not be considered.

GirlFriendTess
Requirements for a real scientist and proper expert (hahaha): Robert Gentry was influenced by a televangelist in 1959 and subsequently converted to Seventh-day Adventism and became a strict creationist (for over 50 years now). What is the guy supposed to do, be honest or maybe support god as you think you are doing. Hummm a tough one let's see, what should a real nuclear physicist and real scientist choose, the truth or magic???

So you believe that because Gentry believes in the God of Genesis he's not a real scientist! His work on Polonium-218 halos which is a short lived isotope with a half-life of only 3 minutes was absolutely brilliant and conducted in a completely scientific way, BUT since he discovered something which deviates from the official atheist dogmas and refutes Evolution, it will not be considered...even by you.

Since you are the big science talker, instead of slamming Gentry personally, I thought you'd come back with a complete refutation of his true Scientific findings. Don't waste your time, those polonium halos in the bedrocks of the entire earth are solid scientific evidence of God's instantaneous Creation.   

GirlFriendTess
how old did you prove the universe was here I must have missed it?

No one knows how old the universe is and determination of its age is beyond the competence of natural Science because the creation of it was a unique supernatural  event at which no human was present. And honest astronomers will be candid and admit that astronomy is not strong enough to support Stellar Evolution claims.

Anyway, I made my point and you made yours.

If you want to move the discussion to the numbers of population which suggest a much, much younger age of the earth is it's OK by me however, I much rather challenge your comment about my "brand of totalitarianism"! ...but... it may be later as the Advent and Christmas season is upon us and I've much to do.

 

on Dec 12, 2012

lulapilgrim
Reply #131 lulapilgrim
Lula you are physical proof there can be no god, or at least not yours. 10^2070 people huh in a million years huh, is ample testimony of your cluelessness on several points. I gave you the opportunity to do something beyond quoting other people and pretending you know the science behind whatever they too are trying to slander ... or your own 'proofs' for that matter ... CLUELESS. I am no longer willing to participate in this sham of yours under your FUBAR belief system. You're a rock among people and you belong in the Flintstoneian world you have imagined for yourself. I have no problem giving you the benefit of the doubt on many issues because we at least are only human and we do make mistakes, but it changes nothing; you never gave me the chance because all you know how to do is to attack everything and everyone. But people like you and your insane church are not open to ANY discussion because you only know one thing … how to pretend to make the bible work with all its ‘scientific’ magic and use it as your guiding light in the face of reality. I will discuss science with you but your RCC and all it stands for is your problem and I will not fight your RCC-C (BS) period. What does poofing thing into existence have to do with our inability to tell when ithings were poofed into place? You believe the earth to be 6,000 years old (without any proof at all by your own admission) but we are sooo stupid that we cannot even look back that very small amount of time. Don’t give me this crap about how inept humans are or that we are so inferior as a species being the representatives of the planets sentience, but we get confused tying our shoes without your god (of course just yours) guiding your every step so you can explain it all to us. Lula have fun with all your Christmas stuff and take all the time you need to recharge your credulity battery pack. Please, just wait for me to seek you out for your infallible knowledge and truths … if I run into a scientific dilemma beyond the ken of our feeble human minds. But don’t hold your breath. If you want to discuss something for a change that would be nice too … but I won’t hold my breath either. Big science talker am I: I am just a believer in science (there is only one kind) and I don’t have any other resources at my disposal with which to make an argument but you are just being as foolish as always … Mrs. Bible thumper. How old did you say the universe was, I must have missed it again?

 

on Dec 12, 2012

lulapilgrim
Reply #129 lulapilgrim
Just for comparison, that number 10^2070 far exceeds the number of stars in the universe by a factor of 5*10^2047 or thereabouts. Or if you like all the sand grains on all the beaches of the world and you would be even off by more here. I would say this is more ridiculous than usual with you because you seem to like to keep your errors somewhere between a factor of a million and a billion but this far exceeds those. When you use someone else’s work, you need to be prepared to defend your argument which you never do simply because you cannot; you are too busy telling me how screwed up all non-catholics are and how faulty our science and math are (hahaha) because only YEC’s understand the real truth, real science and real math … good fucking grief. What a hole you have dug for yourself and all because you listen to other catholics (or YEC’s) and take their EVERY word as if from god … and you continue to refuse to look at anything with any other perspective or even realistically for that matter. There is absolutely NOTHING I could learn from a closed mind like this besides the things you believe on hearsay alone which are all you bring to any discussion and you cannot prove a damn thing … not one … not any of it. Assume 100 billion stars per galaxy and 100 billion galaxies (with another hundred billion galaxies thrown in just to weigh this in your favor) … that equates to 2x10^22 stars in total … catch my drift here, not likely. Without your bible in hand I hazard you would be struck deaf and dumb concerning any subject matter ... well that seems to be the case. YOU have made it absolutely clear how far a YEC is willing to go to warp reality to their will so yes I doubt anyone willing to tout the label of YEC and scientist in the same sentence or document or person, sight unseen because they are a contradiction of terms. 

on Dec 13, 2012

Not sure what happened but not ready to post yet, sorry.

on Dec 13, 2012

GirlFriendTess
You don’t care I know but you don’t seem to understand how many thousands of professional scientists you insult every time you open your biblically enhanced scientific mouth. If you want to understand the basics then you look them up just like I did. After you look up the basics let me know if you are still foolish enough to go real scientist vs. ‘YEC scientist’ because I am not ashamed of my reps and can list them in their hundreds with their PhD's and scientific pedigrees.

I'm sure you can list hundreds of scientists but at the same time, do you know there are scientists who no longer support Darwinism?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1653902/posts

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