Great clip ... sort of says it all. There is a lot of other support for this ideology (Kennedy, Nixon, Kissinger and many others). I would think it obvious to the most casual of observers with just a quick look around the world, but that’s just me. Great … Bibleberger meatings, Lula is going to just love that one, hehehe

This is hardly a new conspiracy. I've done my research, and yet another discussion that rehashes the same material isn't going to change anything. I don't need to change my mind, as my intelligence has determined that the official version of events, while it has some holes in it, is far more likely to be what actually occured than the whole thing being a convoluted inside job to start wars.

Sadly, none of the targets for our Ire are alive and functional but one … the USG. How is it that the world is at fault whenever the USG tells us it is? And why is it oftentimes that the USG uses death and destruction to promote their version of freedom and democracy to the ignorant of the world who aren’t even smart enough to know we are helping them to understand the rules.

I have extensively looked into many of these things and that is why I can tell you that Hitler did nothing that the USG hasn’t  already done … but to what purpose? I can make a list showing you exactly the things that Hitler did and their equivalent for the USG today … but to what purpose? Because you cannot grasp the fact that the USG lies, cheats and steals from the people (to put it mildly) … you will refuse to believe whatever is before your eyes and you will dismiss it out of hand. That lends to a whole new dimension in … blind faith.

And there is not one filthy rich stupid and bumbling career politician in DC getting filthier as we speak  that gives a damn how you or I feel about anything especially something as mundane as their competency.

Exactly right ... is that not what we are trying to do??? The conspiracy is not from the voices of the concerned who would present evidence and seek answers, the conspiracy (look it up) is in the USG's refusal to present even a basically viable rendition of the events. They have all the films and tapes, all the records and pertinent data and all the forensic evidence (most of which they immediately destroyed) and they have all the classified information. With all this in their hands … the best they could come up with is … what they sold us??? 

What ... are you trying to tell me that the USG got to Mad Max too, well don't that beat all, hehehe.

I do not think what you believe or why is of concern here, certainly not to me anyway, that is your business. But what does concern me is why I am always refuted with dismissals that tell me nothing. I already did my research, just a conspiracy theory, no truth at all, just a bunch of lies, couldn’t possibly be true, I don’t need to change my mind, my intelligence has determined … you know all this scientific stuff and all. Yea, you got me convinced all right, hehehe. Star Wars, you are silly ...

I am well aware of individuals like Rockefeller who believed the elite--like himself--were the only ones fit to decide for others how they should live...and it is of course, for their own good.

Margaret Sanger who was concerned for women's health and freedom also promoted eugenics and forced sterilization of the mentally disabled and generationally and chronically poor--all as a "progressive" agenda for "their own good".

Stalin starved ten million Ukrainians to death while they lived in one of the worlds largest grain exporting countries, for the good of those people  Mao-Tse Tung was responsible for the deaths of as many as sixty-million in his march to "help the working man".

The French Revolutionary council rounded up people in the street suspected of having 'wrong ideas" and tortured and executed them with amusement and disdain while crowds clapped and cheered--all in the name of Liberte' for the common people.

You can add to the list--it goes back to the earliest times of history in every nation. The examples I give above though happened mostly in contemporary times and were headed by progressive "intellectuals".  They didn't occur in a feudal society in the dark ages or in days when burned sacrifices were offered at hill top shrines.

What they all have in common is they were led by people who used hate and the appearance of seeking individual freedom and justice to further plans to deprive people of their liberty and even their lives in order that they could make people do what they wanted them to do.

By virtue of the government we have, its ability to wrongly wield power is directly proportionate to the extent the people within it allow it to do so.  Sadly that means that when we are an uniformed, selfish and ignorant populace we get a government that is representative of that.  "We" are the government (here in the US).

What astounds me is the thinking that new party bosses or mullahs or Napoleons will "make it right" if we only tear down existing society and its structure and ideals.  It's the same song that's been on the radio since governments began.

“Government is an evil; it is only the thoughtlessness and vices of men that make it a necessary evil. When all men are good and wise, government will of itself decay.” --Percy Shelle, poet.

“It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have free scope” --Niccolo Machiavelli

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." -- Sir Winston Churchill

I'll close with a quotes from the Old Testament and Churchill:

And he said, “This will be the procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots.  “And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.  “He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers.  “And he will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. “And he will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards, and give to his officers and to his servants.  “He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys, and use them for his work.  “He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants.  “Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the LORD will not answer you in that day”

What's intersting is that up to that point Israel had prophets who instructed the people to be moral and corrected them when they erred--with the onus being on the individual to then be responsible for his or her own behavior and its consequences.Instead, the people wanted "someone else" to "do it for them".

Regardless of how you feel about the book, the point is valid.  People clump together and look for a "savior like them" to whom they can give absolute power in order to make people by force do what they want.  That's evil.

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."  --Sir Winston Churchill (who 25% of Britain's polled think is a fictional character)

 

I think the media is doing a damn good job at turning the word "conspiracy" into an automatic "nut" where people are conditioned to put the 2 words together and therefore any information supplied or questions asked are laughed at and waved off.

Look at any article by the so-called reputable media about conspiracy theories and all are automatically biased using words like quacks or nuts.



Definition of CONSPIRE

transitive verb
: plot, contrive
intransitive verb
1 a : to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement <accused of conspiring to overthrow the government>b : scheme
2 : to act in harmony toward a common end <circumstances conspired to defeat his efforts>


By this definition, the USG theorizes (NOT PROVEN) that Al Qaeda conspired the attacks of 9/11.

I challenge anyone to find a YouTube news clip or news paper article that uses the term "Conspiracy Theory" when describing an investigation into Al Qaeda and 9/11.

Find me one article or video clip that ever used "Conspiracy Theory" when describing legitimate investigations.



Popular Mechanics Debunks 911 Myths

Lets just start with the title using Myths

Now what do most Americans automatically think of when hearing or reading the word "myth". Personally I think of ghosts and unicorns. "an unfounded or false notion" or "a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence" as websters puts it.

So upon reading the title of the article, ask yourself is this objective or biased.



CLAIM vs FACT

Webster's "Claim"
3a : to assert in the face of possible contradiction : maintain <claimed that he'd been cheated>

Webster's "Fact"
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>

So upon reading the titles of the sections, ask yourself is this objective or biased. Can a person not state that all the information supplied under the "Fact" sections are also only "Claims"?

Red "Claim" vs Green "Fact"

Impact of color on marketing

Purpose – Color is ubiquitous and is a source of information. People make up their minds within 90 seconds of their initial interactions with either people or products. About 62-90 percent of the assessment is based on colors alone. So, prudent use of colors can contribute not only to differentiating products from competitors, but also to influencing moods and feelings – positively or negatively – and therefore, to attitude towards certain products. Given that our moods and feelings are unstable and that colors play roles in forming attitude, it is important that managers understand the importance of colors in marketing. The study is designed to contribute to the debate.

Findings – Findings of the study are that managers can use colors to increase or decrease appetite, enhance mood, calm down customers, and, reduce perception of waiting time, among others.

Ask yourself to think about the first ten things that pop in your head when you think of red. Then do the same when you think of green. Objective or biased?

 

The Color of Money

• Green. Beyond it's symbolic associations with nature and growth, green is the color of elastic tension, often associated with the desire for improved conditions: the search for better health, a useful life, social reform. It expresses the will in operation, firmness, constancy, and persistence. Those who possess or wish to possess high levels of self-esteem respond strongly to it. Green is associated with many forms and degrees of control.
   
• Red. Physiologically, red makes blood pressure, pulse rates, and respiration rates go up. It's an energy-expending color. Red is associated with vitality, activity, desire, appetite, and craving. Symbolically, red is blood, conquest, masculinity, the flame of the human spirit. It's the impulse toward active doing, sport, struggle, competition, eroticism, and enterprising productivity. Red is impact or force of will, distinct from green's elasticity of will. The person who favors red wants his own activities to bring him intense experiences and full living. 
    

 

 

Starting on the first page and Popular Mechanics views of anyone that questions the "Claims".

 

"has curdled into paranoia" "Wild conspiracy tales" "among extremists" "Only by confronting such poisonous claims"

extremists plural of ex·trem·ist Noun: A person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, esp. one who resorts to or advocates extreme action. More » Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary Is this not how the media describes terrorists?

Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.

 

Conspiracy Theories 101 from the New York Times

"Is the fact of this group’s growing presence on the Internet a reason for studying it in a course on 9/11? Sure. Is the instructor who discusses the group’s arguments thereby endorsing them? Not at all. It is perfectly possible to teach a viewpoint without embracing it and urging it. But the moment a professor does embrace and urge it, academic study has ceased and been replaced by partisan advocacy. And that is a moment no college administration should allow to occur."

 

And I haven't even started in on the content of this article yet.

I am not taking a microscope to Michael Moore, all I am saying is he is a liar and to not believe anything he says without taking it with a grain of salt.

Who is Popular Mechanics?

Visit Popular Mechanics Customer Service Page and click on "Contact Us" Editor and you will see an eMail  popularmechanics@hearst.com. Now google "hearst.com"

Ever hear of William Randolph Hearst? Just do a google search and you will find links with The Rockefellers, Illuminati.

Over the next few years Hearst became the owner of 28 newspapers and magazines, including the Los Angeles Examiner, the Boston American, the Atlanta Georgian, the Chicago Examiner, the Detroit Times, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Cosmopolitan and the Washington Herald. He used his newspapers and magazines to campaign for an aggressive foreign policy. As a result of distorted and exaggerated reporting, Hearst was blamed for the war between the United States and Spain (1897-98). 

“You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war.” William Randolph Hearst

“You can crush a man with journalism.”  William Randolph Hearst

 

HOLY CRAP   and I just started 

Hearst upset the left-wing in America by being a pro-Nazi in the 1930s and a staunch anti-Communistin the 1940s.

 

Governments are a necessity if there is to be any cohesiveness to one’s society, just like the religions. It is just too easy to blame the American people for electing the idiots when all we did was elect people who told us they were going to fix everything, just like the religions. Then after the people have served their sole purpose (to elect would be liars and thieves) … they go about doing ‘whatever’, and we go about ‘assuming’ they are going to do what they said they would but don’t. We ignore their actions and go about daily life angry and upset most of the time, just like the religions. It is just too easy for most to attack secularism and ignore religious manifestations of the same things. For example … Historians distinguish four different manifestations of the Inquisition: (There are many other examples too)

1. the Medieval Inquisition (1231–16th century)
2. the Spanish Inquisition (1478–1834)
3. the Portuguese Inquisition (1536–1821)
4. the Roman Inquisition (1542 – c. 1860 )

The Great Jewish Revolt (66-70). Zealotry was described as one of the "four sects" at this time. The zealots (Jewish rebels) have been described as one of the first examples of the use of terrorism.

Most religions have both dualistic and gnostic elements which are often at odds with themselves. It seems that religious folk have no problems dismissing outright anything (everything) cruel and inhumane the religions have (still are) sponsoring as long as there is the “built into the system” that God’s will makes it right. Substitute USG for gods in the previous sentence and you have well, just what we do today, anarchy which is the desired effect.

You cannot presuppose (to make something necessary if a particular thing is to be shown to be true or false) that all men are evil??? You know this not to be true yet you persist. Are you telling me that we have free scope here ... and that you having no free scope is anything besides a disguised social slavery.

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"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." -- Sir Winston Churchill[/quote]A lot of things have been said about a lot of things, that are wise, but that doesn’t make them true (or not) … is that not the purpose (that’s politics). There are in my mind no real preferences for type of government as it is totally up to the miscreants (or not) in charge (USG in our case) to live up to their own ideals which virtually never happens. America is a perfect example!

Yep so true ... It makes me think about theology though not Kings except … your God is considered the King of kings, go figure... isn't that an exact description of the demands the religions force on the minds of their own … and of the rest of us too, if we were to allow it?

I am not sure of your point unless it is that many Brits are capricious in demeanor and rather un-educated … they are not alone there?

In a perfect world, we would all live in harmony and coexist content in our own joy.  It isn't now and never will be a human-made "perfect world".  We have to work within the imperfect--that's what we are.

My quotes weren't to prove anything just to point out that the limitations and liabilities of government and people have been long understood by many--it isn't a new thing.

I just like a Churchill's quotes--he has some real gems for a cantankerous curmudgeon--and I thought it was funny that people in England can live there oblivious to who he was.  Of course here, kids don't  really know who Nixon or Reagan were either.

If the world soccer cup is being played in the final game and each team accuses the other of cheating regarding the final and winning goal...what do you do?  You turn to a referee.

Imagine going to a game being played at an equally passionate level by two teams with totally different philosophies on what was fair and how it should be played and just saying, "Well--we'll let it work itself out."

As long as people are different and imperfect--which will be as long as we are here--we need a referee.  Government is the only referee we have been able to come up with.

I've been around the world a few times and known a lot of different people and can tell you now that if we leave it just up to individuals to govern themselves, that many individuals think it's perfectly fine to be the roving motorcycle gang from Mad Max and to take whatever they want from you.

So going on about "all government is evil and pestilence" isn't any kind of solution to anything--it's all we've got at the moment.  The American Indians had tribes--some of which worked together and some that didn't but nearly all had in common the values of treating the earth and nature with respect and care, to not take more than you need, to share from abundance, etc.  Yet at the same time these tribes almost completely (with the exception of a very few) believed in kidnapping and killing members of other tribes for glory and goods.

No society that's yet been on the earth has avoided violence and the need for governance at some point in its existence and I am always suspicious of people who want to eliminate the status quo by means of compulsion and even force so they can have it their way.  think about it--what do you think the very corrupt people who make up governments and make laws now would be doing if there were no laws and governments?

That is much better, thank you. I have always maintained the idea that most of my research needs to go into greater scrutiny when they support my understanding of things. But I look at all sides, try to remove the political (religious) nonsense and see what turns up. There is hardly a time when I take something for granted and I do not care the source. But blind faith in the veracity of the USG is an oxymoron to beat them all… but one.

There are no bad governments. It they all were run under their own ideals ... it just wouldn't matter. There are just bad people who monopolize and manipulate the moral values normally for financial gain (power).  But all countries are nationalistic, just as we are. And they value their lives and sovereignty as much as we do. But this is where the problem exasperates itself … Americans are particularly hypocritical here in that they place a much higher value on everything American and a much lesser value on other peoples, countries and organizations. Things can change in a heartbeat.
 
Before Hitler came into power, Germany was a cosmopolitan marvel of the times, however through the use of propaganda, fear and terrorism (just what the USG is doing), they transformed themselves into the hideous thing they became seemingly overnight. If you are really interested, look at the following clip by Naomi Wolf - The End of America ... before you offer all your ire on figures like Hitler.

They probably think this is another conspiracy I suppose. There is so much information available ... maybe that is the problem? I wonder if the church knows?

SO.... Many.... TOPICS

Where in the world did this come from? Is that not what we do when we form governments ... we in effect govern ourselves through the democratic process. The USG is the only self-empowered and justified entity that can take whatever they want from me. Send Mad and co. over to my place and see what they steal, you are being silly?

 

SO.... Many.... TOPICS  ... I know, whew ... how would you like to try and filter much of this nonsense and try to respond to them all

Supposed to be 9/11 though if I remember?