Catchy name ... almost as flamboyant as BoobzTwo, hahaha. Your points are pretty much spot on, congratulations. But what we and seemingly the rest of the scientific folk believe will not even put a chink in the protective armor theological folk don before battle. If one requires no proof (logic or common sense) whatsoever when making lifelong (and beyond) decisions … what proof (logic or common sense) are we going to offer that will in any way (not so much as) change their minds, but to just prompt them just to reconsider their position? The best thing would be to ignore such childishness … but I do like to defend the ‘constitution’ so to speak … convincing or not.

I spent the better part of yesterday trying to find a minimally responsible expression of creation ‘science’ but was unable to, no real surprise there I suppose. What perplexes me is why biblical realists feel the need to try and use science to disprove evolution ... when it is that very same science they are trying to prove as unfounded in the first place? If there is a better way of shooting one’s own foot … I don’t know what that might be. The arguments I have reviewed are all over the board but interlinked to one idea or concept … that god created the universe and everything in it ~6,000 years ago. Amazing that; they try to use science (that which has brought all of our modern marvels and wonders) as a bludgeon to drive us back (emotionally in the least) to a Bronze Age mentality where superstition ruled the day and science was all but nonexistent. Theologically this seems to be the goal anyway. I don’t think many are willing (or able) to even contemplate what this would mean for humanity … the living in the real world aspect of it anyway. The first thousand years of Christianity should convince every one of the obvious problems involved with ultimate theological mind control … well it should anyway. Islam is a good present day example of such faulty mind control over the masses which supersedes all legal state limitations and their secular restrictions.

The bible is a construct of the RCC (an undeniable fact) and as such is of no use (to me anyway) to one who wants to prove the existence of the supposed one god (circular logic). It seems that this god fellow was well known before this construct (like from time zero onward) and therefore should be provable (historically) without its (their) use. Or is there an argument that this deity removed all proof of his existence from the face of the earth to what ... promote his cause??? This doesn’t seem to be acceptable to most religious folk (but why???). Islam believes in the very same god and they don’t use the bible … of yea, they just have their own version, their own construct. Shouldn’t this fact alone cause some red flags to pop up? Christians see no problem pointing out the delusions of ALL the other religions … but they will not (refuse to) even contemplate their own objections of all the others … by ANY internal reflection whatsoever. To be fair, ALL the other religions operate with this exact same self-imposed handicap. They are all prim and proper in their own minds, just because they have a book of their own (which tells them so) … or they just plagiarize someone else’s book of complete truths (removing or ignoring parts as they see fit) for their own cult misuse.

I suppose what I am trying to say is that the fight is not one between science and theology … it is between the different theologians themselves … or at least it should be. Disproving evolution with science is just impossible as it is that very same science which proves our evolution to be true in the first place (???).  And besides, hypothetically removing evolution from the equation will in no way solve any of the theological differences nor will it confirm (or deny) the existence of god. It is just a ‘straw man’ endeavor to confuse the real root issue. And in parting, I would raise this point: Why is it that none of the world’s religions can in any way prove the existence of their chosen immortal(s) in any real world manner … instead they all rely on faith alone. And yet, they all presumably represent the true and absolute word of god (often the same god???) … and this balderdash seems to depend only on where one was born, who one was raised by and who participated in their brainwashing … and that is not much proof of anything real (besides complete mind control) in which to place one’s absolute faith upon, IMO. There was good reason why the biblical ‘Tree of Knowledge’ was chosen to be the bearer of bad fruit … I will get to that soon enough.

 

If human physiology is of intelligent design, then the designer needs be fired. If you take evolution out of the equation, who or what is responsible for our current condition? I don’t think this ‘designer’ would have been under any obligation to create a vassal of perfection, but it seems reasonable to expect he would at least do his best. Our jaws are too small to hold all our teeth and as miraculous as the human eye seems to be, it has design flaws that no intelligence could miss. I know all the ‘miraculous’ stuff is auto-pasted in gods corner … but who is given credit for the obvious design flaws in man himself; god forbid we bring the rest of the animal kingdom in too???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVz6sevv3RQ&feature=related

In order to believe in creationism, the Christian (Muslim?, Jew?) who takes their bible as the literal word of god, MUST believe the universe is <6,000 years old, that all life on earth was eradicated 4347 years ago and that the diversity of life we have today “evolved?” from pairs of kinds (those not sacrificed anyway) and spread around the bridgeless world. Biblically we have1556 years from Adam to Noah’s son Shem, then 390 years from Shem to Abraham and then 1945 years from Abraham to Jesus birth. Add in today’s date (+ 2012) and we get from the creation of the universe to the present in just 5,903 years, amazing that. That is ~750,000 times younger than the scientific view, hardly a trivial error. But THIS is the only way to incorporate the “original sin” … the basis for the biblical god views … if the bible were to be believed. I just don’t believe the bible and for good reasons.

I had forgotten where the above came from but found it reviewing another post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Vx_KLRUpE

You are all making baby Jesus cry!  Don't you care for your souls?  They are going to burn in fiery darkness forever!  Of course there is a God!  How could you deny it?  Here, I will speak in tongues and send you a message from God!  "Abadudoody ma poody la kachooey"!  Now do you believe?  How could I know Angelese if God didn't teach me?  

 

*this was a recreation of a speech my grandmother gave to me almost 20 years ago.  And the part that bothers me the most? I fucking feel for this bullshit and didn't wake up for another 10 years. 

Any religion that is text only based is hard pressed to represent any God unless YOU are willing to suspend reality to accomplish your goals. A world based on a literal interpretation of the bible is not a world I would care to live in. I am tired though of being told how logical and factual and well perfect the bible is and all the people who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. This clip by Jillette is all good but I started it at the point I wanted to make … and why Orthodox Biblical Christians are living a lie. Well hmmm … Guess you are going to have to jump to 12:20 … manually to get to my point sorry. I thought I had it all figured out.

Penn Jillette: An Atheist's Guide to the 2012 Election   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGxVeQw3SE

 

Now if that were something MY grandmother had done there'd be cause for concern.....

....she snuffed it 50 years ago....

That is precisely correct. It happened because it could.

As for "Why"? Ask your Philosophy prof... but it boils down to:

a. Because.

or

b. Why not?

 

"Intelligent Design" is nothing more than ill disguised conceit: "It happened with a 'guiding force' because I can't conceive of it any other way."

Well, if the universe is to be tailored to what we can comprehend, it's going to be a rather tedious and simple place.

Thank all that was/is/will be that isn't the case.

Kitzmiller vs Dover Board of Education (11/11) … why are we even having a discussion … then again it isn’t much of one is it, hahaha. The professed credulity of many religious folk … we have the internet for goodness sake … is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8-Ve4sfM2g&NR=1&feature=endscreen

The ape in me loves NOVA 

 

Ken Miller on Human Evolution   http://youtu.be/zi8FfMBYCkk

Hi myfist0, I have been over the trial and the mock up trial several times now but the results still haven't changed hahaha. It should prove interesting (???) as they continue trying to fight this ‘pseudo’-science ape stuff. At least this ruling should force some new way for them to try and get religion back into the schools. I just think these people are doomed (have been for quite some time now) to failure because there is no other explanation. They just refuse to acknowledge the facts preferring a lack thereof instead. I cannot even imagine a world where all our truth, science and knowledge were metered out only in bible class, go figure. Just think, exorcism instead of medicine and probably circumcisions for all too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

I find it rather ironic that the people that have no problem admitting they are evolved from apes, or some version thereof, are the ones that use reason, math, and science, where the ones that were poofed into existence from some magical, all knowing, all seeing being refuse to use their brain at all and just take the word of a few wackos as truth. You would think that this being would grant these delusional people a little insight.

Are these the the same over-medicated cookoos that tell the atheist that they're religious?
I would rather converse with a snail then continue to debate with talking snakes and burning bushes. 

I just like apes because they are smarter than some people I know. And they are firm believers in 'The Real World' only ... too.

 

ROFL GFT 

No never thought of that. I am a human, the first thing that came to my mind was...