People are entitled to their opinions but they are not entitled to make up their own facts. Dr. Michael Behe … smoke and mirrors is right. God of the gaps was great … the smarter we get … the smaller the gaps… At least creationists are willing to define their designer whereas the ID’ers just leaves that part blank, go figure. ID infused in the big bang to justify the ID concept, what nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vDzcJNt1MM

 

Why are so few things considered designed by a designer when it is quite obvious that most things are not???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=NZR_jo_tCy0&NR=1

I know creationists think ALL secular scientists are screwed up so how about from the mouth on another man of god (the costume speaks for itself). But I think this priest would make for some very good conversations as opposed to the creation nonsense being bandied about as some truism.

A Priest Mocks Creationism   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQuvwQ4y-k

Biblical creationists (religions in general) have an unlimited number of excuses to explain away the real world we have come to understand today. As an atheist, I have been called astonishing things by religious folk who believe only their specific bible is the true word of their specific god (just making a point) and the only accurate historical document we have today???  And because I don’t, I am considered closed minded, insensitive, hateful, a truth denier, hypocritical, oblivious, blasphemy (of course) and just plain wrong about everything. Oh yea, evolution doesn’t work because the bible told me so. Well life just keeps on trucking semi forward and the databank is cumulative, and I think that this problem is mostly going to go away all just from their own specific dogmas. And the only thing they can say, every single time, no matter the topic or the discussion … what it all boils down to is “God did it”.

 

Richard Dawkins One Fact to Refute Creationism.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Q2tkfMU_g&feature=related

Found this just looking for dodos and thought it was appropriate. It is amazing that biblical realists inflict everyone else with the responsibility of proving their myths (their magic mind you) aren’t true as if I should GaS.

Found Creationist vs Evolution (parody)   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqQKEe8SmQ&feature=fvsr

I'm gonna be that guy and point out some serious flaws with the OP (other than the fact that it is obviously a marketing video intended to promote a certain ideology, and not just educate):

@0:45~0:59 - What if a "future" discovery does in fact cause the earth to be viewed as a different "shape"?  This is one of the most serious disservices that modern "scientists" are inflicting on not only those that blindly believe their assertions, but also themselves; and it goes against the very nature of "science".  As humanity has grown back into a more clear understanding of reality, we have slowly but surely come to discover that our dimension contains much more depth than once believed.  In a three dimensional perspective, the planet earth is indeed "a spherical object frozen in space".  However, even this perspective is merely a stepping stone in the evolution of understanding.  A fourth dimensional perspective is one in which the individual entity classified as "earth" is thought of as merely a system, or relationship between opposing forces (energies), that takes on many "shapes and sizes", and which is actually just a smaller part of a much more wholistic machine.  Einstein's theory of relativity represents a turning point in this development of consciousness, however the majority of humanity (including the producer of the video in the OP) are still stuck in a Newtonian way of viewing their reality.  Slowly, but surely, the sphere rolls.  "Science" can help expedite this process by not insisting that the current level of generally accepted knowledge is de facto.

The other issue with this assertion is that it actually isn't scientifically sound.  Many ancient cultures around the globe knew that the larger being of which they were a part is (in a three dimensional sense) spherical.  Really only about half of us believed it to be flat, and only for a moment in history.  In fact, most of the truly modern and fringe concepts being propounded by the scientific community directly reflect the ancient philosophies from which the core of almost all religions is formed.

I also wouldn't call modern medicine much more than a cure for modern afflictions, for rich people.  60% of the planet doesn't even have clean drinking water.  Anesthesia and the mapping of the human circulatory system are not new by any stretch of the imagination either.

Scientists and historians both need to be much more critical in their deductions, too much is taken on the word of others that aren't actually deserving of such credence.  This video is a great example: just because it's title contains the word "science" the majority of it's viewers will most likely not bother to validate the assertions made within.  No word, not even that of a "scientist", should ever over-power an individual's internal evaluation of truth. 

@2:39 - Memory foam?  The running shoe?  The electric razor?  Breast implants?  Really?  Just because Sid Meier says a civilization is advanced does not make it so.  The bible actually does contain many more beneficial contributions towards the development of human consciousness than most of the inventions mentioned, and it's just a rewrite.  If the vision of a modern Christian is considered simplistic, it does not reflect the heart of their religion, the same heart found in the monasteries of religions all over the world.

Science and religion are not opposites.  Religion is the science of developing human consciousness, and science should be the art of nurturing the human environment.

Honestly, that this video symbolizes education in any way is scary.  Science and trust have nothing to do with one another.  I depart this thread most likely never to return.

 

Oh and +1 for white buses.

Nice to see you back Tess

Ya, I had to forcibly endure 10 years of that 'developing my human consciousness' crap, where questioning anything is frowned upon and even punished, and mindless regurgitation was rewarded.

 

I don't think you fully appreciate how awesome electric razors are. I recently switched after using everything from straight razors to disposables, and they're fantastic.

 

Your past has obviously culminated in a relatively aware state of being: may this reinforce your inquisitive nature; blind faith does nothing but instil weakness in mankind, be it in "religion" or "science".

Above all else, ensure that you can trust yourself.

 

Edit, to reiterate: No word, not even that of a "religious person", should ever over-power an individual's internal evaluation of truth.  Stay strong.

 

Actually, I haven't used a straight blade in years either.  Then again, I only shave when I have to.

Hi myfist0, nice to hear from you again. I took a couple of months off to work on something important but have been back for a couple of weeks now. Same people, same silly nonsense a never ending theme I suppose. I started into the post by cardinaldirection but got to the end before writing much. Seems to be impressed with his own definitions none of which come from a dictionary. Not sure what the message was supposed to be but since they have exited I won’t say much about it besides this; I don’t play the ‘what if game’ any longer, not since my children reached puberty anyway. It doesn’t seem possible anymore to just chat long about anything before one Christian or another brings their nonsense into play. It is almost as if they cannot allow a conversation to progress without their bringing a crap load of mumbo jumbo to the table that only they believe and pretend to understand. See you around.

Oops a change of mind I see, humm

The ability to copy paste from a dictionary does not demonstrate understanding.  There are many search engines available to assist in further grasping anything I may have written that you are finding complex.  I am also willing to entertain an intelligent conversation, but you must excuse me if the very nature of this thread did not accurately represent the probability of actually finding one within.  My sources will not be coming from Youtube, or even all the very large books on my shelves (like the dictionary), but the accumulated understanding of those books - me.  You may argue with those books on your own time.

 

The point of the above line is escaping me, please clarify.

 

Christianity is just one of the many view points that my unique perspective is derived from; neurochemical psychology, physics, Vedanta, Taoism, and a lifetime's devotion to the evolution of religious thought are a few others.  I also wouldn't classify this thread as much of a conversation, and I apologize if I've wasted your time, but you alone choose how it is spent.

There is nothing at all de facto about science. We know what we know (how could we know more?), but we thirst to know more and we will. We don’t have biblical de facto plagues anymore. If there is some medicinal information in there somewhere I haven’t been able to find it? There are countless biblical atrocities that are only kept at bay from the non-religious folks that just want to live their own lives in peace. On the contrary, history teaches that the churches of the day did everything in their power to convince the people (they were supposed to protect and guide) that these maladies were vindictives from their merciful gods to punish all for not complying with their proper religious beliefs. At what point in the history of man do you think the widespread application of anesthetics came into being particularly for the common man?  There were some breakthroughs in the 18th century but they were for the most part dropped. In the 19th century they started experimenting on the potential of ether to ease the pain of surgery. I don’t think that Nicolaus Copernicus (16th century) and Galileo Galilei (17th century) would believe you either just to mention the views of someone who actually lived within the church lie. Well I don't ceare much for elitists who considers themselves as inerrant as the religious folk do. Now I understand where you are popping in from and why you would redirect the OP.

Who said anything about copy and paste? And what could that have to do with anything? I use search engines all the time but you error if you feel that I care enough about what you are want to say if you are incapable of using plain English. What is intelligent about making things as up with your start here?

If this is the case, then reading and commenting on the OP would be a good place to start. I wrote the OP in question and I assure you it had nothing whatsoever to do with ‘finding one within’ so there should not be any confusion on your part as to why it wasn’t addressed.

A joke right? If a discovery is made in the future (that won’t be it) then we will have learned a thing or two and we can make adjustments as necessary. You seem to think we are going to discover something profound that will disprove science as we know it, poppycock. You are just as brash thinking there will be some discovery based on nothing but conjecture that you just cannot put your finger on ... that we should stymie progress (or whatever you call it) and wait for the great discovery? That is no different than waiting till one dies to reap their proposed benefits … after they are dead.

Well good for you, sadly this post is just about Christianity and their failed attempts to pass Creationism off as fact. If you want to discuss something else then at least be considerate enough to make that fact known before you go denigrate things. The thing about viewpoints is that there are almost 7 billion of them and they are all unique if for no other reason than they aren’t yours.

Fair enough! Unfortunately, my hair grows very unevenly so I have to shave more often than I'd like.